I think this is one of the essential parts which lead dubstep to it's current state.crap producers decided to jump on it cause its now a money maker - and still managed to get all the 'real/credible/originator' dj's to actually play their stuff.
I think this is one of the essential parts which lead dubstep to it's current state.crap producers decided to jump on it cause its now a money maker - and still managed to get all the 'real/credible/originator' dj's to actually play their stuff.
does antone think that without "Wobble" bass dubstep there would be no wonky stuff, or rather the mid range synthy tones that go with "wonky" music wouldnt have been integrated into dubstep tempos/structures so much? i know a big factor was hyperdubs kinda introduction of chip tune into dubstep, but people like joker are pretty indebted to the mid range wobble sound, even if only by the way they refuse it and replace it with a more interesting mid range alternative.
i guess my point is that by dubstep "losing the plot" it gives impetus for this wonky thing to grow into its own genre, and so pushing things forward. like was mentioned in the dubstep thread a while ago, loefahs vision of dubstep is a sort of purist endgame, incredible minimal, dark, bassy, spacious etc, and i cant really imagine it going any further as a whole genre.
does antone think that without "Wobble" bass dubstep there would be no wonky stuff, or rather the mid range synthy tones that go with "wonky" music wouldnt have been integrated into dubstep tempos/structures so much? i know a big factor was hyperdubs kinda introduction of chip tune into dubstep, but people like joker are pretty indebted to the mid range wobble sound, even if only by the way they refuse it and replace it with a more interesting mid range alternative.
i guess my point is that by dubstep "losing the plot" it gives impetus for this wonky thing to grow into its own genre, and so pushing things forward. like was mentioned in the dubstep thread a while ago, loefahs vision of dubstep is a sort of purist endgame, incredible minimal, dark, bassy, spacious etc, and i cant really imagine it going any further as a whole genre.
Im probably really wrong, but I always thought that Flying Lotus had a lot to do with the wonky sound?
re: joker, 'gully brook park' was getting played way back in 2006, so I think he was well on his way long before the midrange thing got out of hand. may have been regarded more as grime though?
i agree, i guss the wonky sound borders on lots of other genres, especially Flying Lotus, post J dilla hip hop, which has been going on since J Dilla (obviously), but i dont think this sound would have been bracketted with 140bpm dubstep stuff if it hadnt been for this sort of midrange reaction within the dubstep sound. Flying Lotus play some tracks like "Chainsaw Calligraphy" by 16bit in his sets, which is a complete exteme example of aggrasive midrange wobblestep.
i guess jokers pretty in between dubstep and grime at that stage, but that Gully Brook Park track is kinda a good example of what im talking about as it got played a lot by the jump-up dubstep djs when it was that Jakes track "3kout" or somthing, which again is complete wobble.
but if someone dropped it in a club I would think they were being a bit silly.
Not that there's anything inherently wrong with being a bit silly from time to time...Maybe not a joke track as such, but WMM is surely supposed to be funny? I mean, the whole bit about 'olding account?!? and so forth...
I think Chainsaw Calligraphy is interesting as a sonic statement/experiment, but if someone dropped it in a club I would think they were being a bit silly.