Dubstep
Grievous Angel
Beast of Burden
It was terribly good (though I am biased!) and there are some good quality private recordings floating around. I'll pm you one.
fokse vektaire xeven
Arab Nazi
I'm arguing nothing. it's you who has an argument- you weighed in with the happy assertion that tactics was talking "bollocks", since when you've underread every post contributed and tried to drag the discussion to the absolutes you are comfortable with. but it isn't about absolutes or specifics. THAT is the point...it's about thinking beyond the standard liberal values your environment has handed you.
as a dj you are an ambassador for the music you play, and what is under consideration is where people representing a culture they do not belong to feel the disconnect. it's a disconnect you're aware of because you've referenced it yourself in humour- a useful arena to deal with issues that make us feel uncomfortable. the issue of homophobia is really one ugliness among many, and what right does a white middle class dj have to sponsor the promotion of drug dealing, murder etc.? homosexuality is taboo in the hood, just as people do really get chiefed up and robbed or killed over drugs. there's a kind of arrogance to imposing your own moral code from without. certainly there is a logical case that:
otherwise we get ridiculous distinctions being made such as:
which seems to suggest that it's fine to play this record as long as you don't have to answer for it personally, or if you censor it.
with regards to this:
what i meant was- and this may be a surprise to you- not all black people are comfortable with the incessant use of the word nigga. making the hypothetical assumption above- it's easy for you to blithely assert that there's no problem as the word has had positive connotations within the black community for years because you've never heard it said to you in anger. tactics might feel differently for all we know and you might find it in your heart to have some respect for standpoints other than your own.
also UFO if i remember rightly the last show of yours you posted up had Smif n Wessun's Bucktown as one of the first tunes, which includes the line,
"kill a batty bwoy/ and take your lover for hostage"
so where are you drawing the line if at all? is it now about how many times somebody advocates violence against homosexuals? does it have to be part of the chorus? did you do a "radio edit"? or did you just play it without thinking? it might be a cornerstone of liberal thought that art can mostly exist in a vacuum free of moral responsibility but it hasn't made the world such a great place.
Grievous Angel
Beast of Burden
Two things:
Best of luck to Blackdown on his debut set at Dub War in New York tonight. I bet he rocks it!
And
Best of luck to 2562 on his debut set at FWD>> tonight.
The garage take over starts here...
Best of luck to Blackdown on his debut set at Dub War in New York tonight. I bet he rocks it!
And
Best of luck to 2562 on his debut set at FWD>> tonight.
The garage take over starts here...
sodiumnightlife
Sweet Virginia
is monday one of the best days for dubstep releases ever? just look at boomkats front page...
anytime there's two Skull Disco records out the same week, hells yes.
UFO over easy
online mahjong
before I try and answer you maybe I could suggest you try getting out of bed on the right side before the next time we talk to each other? maybe try not reading every throw away one liner so literally.. I really have tried to read all the posts properly but maybe it would've helped if Tactics was slightly clearer in his original post.. I'm not sure you've been exactly crystal either.
that's a nice way of putting it, and your post has given me a slightly different perspective on all this, but what I've been saying is that context and intent are really important - surely you agree that there's a difference in representing music to people as a DJ and as the original artist? Saying DJs are ambassadors for the music they play is a different assertion to saying they're representing the cultures of the artists or their values. What you exactly mean by 'culture' isn't clear either, nor is what it takes to belong to that culture.
fokse vektaire xeven said:
A couple of things in response to this - firstly, there's still a big difference between the use of the 'n' word with positive intent and the use of homophobic language with the aim to insult, regardless of whether or not members of those communities are offended by their use - in the first instance there is scope for misinterpretation, and in the second there is none. There's no sense in which the use of any word as a violent insult could be taken in any other way. If language is really just a systematised method of communicating something deeper, our feelings, emotions etc, then it could be said that someone who takes offense at something like the use of the 'n' word in recent hip hop is simply misinterpreting the artist's use of that language. Secondly, I think there's a difference I think as well between being personally insulted by something and being personally insulted by something with the threat of external violence.
UFO over easy said:
I'll point out what I wrote earlier in the thread -
me said:
that's all I was saying. I don't really have an opinion as to whether or not blackdown or me were right to play those records. I do credit my listeners with enough intelligence to understand that the values of a musician and the DJ who plays his records aren't necessarily the same though. hopefully it won't make them leave the dancefloor, or switch off the radio in disgust, but it's up to them.
sorry if I'm not clear, I'm trying to take the time to work it out in my own head but I really think we've been talking about different issues.
Also maybe a moderator could move all these posts into the 'language and context' thread in Thought
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fokse vektaire xeven
Arab Nazi
points taken- it's an issue that's been on my mind in a broader sense and i apologise for angling it at you personally. that was unnecessary. discussion moved to Thought.
outraygeous
Well-known member
Is anyone selling tickets to FWD>> this friday (22nd feb) at the end??
if so, please get at me on
outraygeous@hotmail.com
Cheers
if so, please get at me on
outraygeous@hotmail.com
Cheers
i reckon that works well both cross between dubstep and grime.
And a pretty unprogressive or imaginative one at that. When I saw him at DMZ last he came like Now That's What I Call Dubstep (with complimentary Cha Vocal).
benjybars
village elder.
yeah lots of people make that complaint and i see what they mean but i still like seeing him play. he can definitely mix (even if he does use serato...)
Thanks for this mix. Can't wait for those new Shackleton tracks to come out.