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Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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mixed_biscuits said:
Your claim was early lockdown = short lockdown
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New Zealand's initial lockdown was much shorter than UK's, and after that they managed regional outbreaks with regional lockdowns. So they spent a lot less time in lockdown than we did, all told.

China, as I've already explained, deliberately delayed doing anything. If I have to spell this out for you, that's the opposite of 'early.'
 
mixed_biscuits

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Mr. Tea said:
New Zealand's initial lockdown was much shorter than UK's, and after that they managed regional outbreaks with regional lockdowns. So they spent a lot less time in lockdown than we did, all told.

China, as I've already explained, deliberately delayed doing anything. If I have to spell this out for you, that's the opposite of 'early.'
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China's was early. They were first and started lockdown before the WHO declared a global emergency. NZ is small and Auckland still had to lock down for over 100 days. Since outbreak in NZ they've had over 2 million confirmed cases (population of just over 5 million) so in what way did it work? So your shining exemplar of early lockdown making the problem go away was that at least half the population got infected! You still haven't addressed the fact that lockdown overall does not maximise lives saved as, for instance, the cost of one day of UK lockdown would save 700,000 people in the developing world if the funds were diverted there. But I guess British people are worth that much more to you.
 
Mr. Tea

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mixed_biscuits said:
the cost of one day of UK lockdown would save 700,000 people in the developing world if the funds were diverted there. But I guess British people are worth that much more to you.
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This is just the inverse of how the people who say "Why should we help poor people in other countries when there are poor people here?" are invariably the sort of people who cross the road to avoid walking past a beggar.

But yeah, excellent performance of compassion for the needy of all races and creeds from a literal eugenicist, there.
 
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Mr. Tea said:
This is just the inverse of how the people who say "Why should we help poor people in other countries when there are poor people here?" are invariably the sort of people who cross the road to avoid walking past a beggar.

But yeah, excellent performance of compassion for the needy of all races and creeds from a literal eugenicist, there.
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So you are basically conceding both points and lashing out in frustration...
 
mixed_biscuits

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Mr. Tea said:
Your points are, as usual, nonsense, and have come coated in the least convincing concern-trolling I've ever seen.
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Perhaps you should move back to the metropolis, as your Brexit-addled brain appears to have imploded at the thought that foreigners are worth the same as people here, and that moral calculus should extend beyond a nation's borders.

I'm infinitely more concerned than you are, because that consideration has at no time occurred to you, and occurred to me enough to 1) find out how much lockdown cost the UK 2) look at the estimated cost of saving a life in a developing country (estimated by Give Well) 3) do the math 4) bring it to others' attention (not just on Dissensus).

These moral quandaries are de rigeur in philosophy.

So, the question remains: would you rather spend £1.4bn on saving 700,000 people in the developing world or on saving a tiny fraction of that in the UK for another day's lockdown.
 
shakahislop

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mixed_biscuits said:
So, the question remains: would you rather spend £1.4bn on saving 700,000 people in the developing world or on saving a tiny fraction of that in the UK for another day's lockdown.
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I sort of can't bellend that I'm writing something so obvious, but you know that we can do both.

'saving people in the developing world' is the kind of language you would use if you'd never really thought about the subject at all. so is the idea that if you increase the aid budget you can 'save' a certain number of people
 
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shakahislop said:
'saving people in the developing world' is the kind of language you would use if you'd never really thought about the subject at all
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Look, backwards Mystic Meg (Gem Citsym?), I was examined on this sort of thing when I was doing A-Level geography. And there is no magic money tree. Choices have to be made.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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shakahislop said:
I sort of can't bellend that I'm writing something so obvious, but you know that we can do both.

'saving people in the developing world' is the kind of language you would use if you'd never really thought about the subject at all. so is the idea that if you increase the aid budget you can 'save' a certain number of people
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In case you missed these particular gems, or they were before you joined the forum, Biccies is a card-carrying eugenicist and believer in the Great Replacement conspiracy theory. So if you feel that his appeals to the welfare of poor widdle hungry brown children in faraway lands ring a little hollow to you, I would say your instincts are probably sound.
 
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Mr. Tea said:
In case you missed these particular gems, or they were before you joined the forum, Biccies is a card-carrying eugenicist and believer in the Great Replacement conspiracy theory. So if you feel that his appeals to the welfare of poor widdle hungry brown children in faraway lands ring a little hollow to you, I would say your instincts are probably sound.
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You must have slipped your card into my back pocket, being such an abortion fanatic as you are.

Did you know that up to 90% of UK babies diagnosed with Down's Syndrome in utero are subsequently aborted? Does that sound 'too eugenic', 'not eugenic enough' or 'just about right'?

I think you have mentioned the great replacement before I have, having never mentioned it.
 
Mr. Tea

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shakahislop said:
one day detective tea is going to get to the bottom of the mixed biscuits phenom. why do you do it biscuits? why do you say things you don't believe to wind them up?
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He's worse than that. He believes things so ludicrous that well-meaning people believe he doesn't believe them.
 
luka

luka

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what's striking is how the whole episode sent basically everyone mad. in one way or another.
 
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