finally peeped the Joker EP...
you can def. make a sub-genre of grime of people like him, Mr. Slash, Raptor, and Virgo who love to use orchestral plug-ins, epic progressions, yet still work in a 4 or 8 bar format...
i can't say i heard anything in the record that seperates him from the above... it's grime made by kids who grew up listening to Dipset, Kanye, Paul Wall, Chamillionaire, just as much as Wiley and Jammer...
incidentally, i finally found out that Ruff Squad's "Guns N Roses" is a Heatmakerz beat... i was at a friends house listening to records and he put it a Heatmakerz record on and my jaw dropped... i always thought that was a Rapid beat!