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mms

sometimes
I hate the way it's billed as Hop-Hop also. Now I know this album may be his material closest to HipHop but can they not just brace themselves and use the G word please for fucks sake??

I saw Virus Syndicate at a night somewhere and they were basically billing it as Dubstep with MCs. I don't think the G word was even on the flyer.

hmm i think not putting grime on a flyer is probably a move to avoid needless police intervention.

i agree it does sound in that article like an attempt to cross dizzie over in several places, it is his third album , not heard it though so i don't know, it is such a shame that wiley's ridiculed, the rift between them being called childish and then instantly compounded by a description of dizzie's reactions to a song by wiley. That just seemed cruel and nasty. what the fuck has changed where grime is now so bad and hip hop is good, what changes have taken place for this to happen? Is it just another step into retroland uk, a sort of reaction against grime's modern innovation?
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
it is such a shame that wiley's ridiculed, the rift between them being called childish and then instantly compounded by a description of dizzie's reactions to a song by wiley. That just seemed cruel and nasty.?

dizzees never had much to say about him in the last 3 or so years though. i remember when BIDC came out wiley usually got a mention as dizzees mentor figure, but since it all went sour, wileys always looked like he hasnt really moved on. it didnt really help that treddin was nowhere near as good as BIDC.

what the fuck has changed where grime is now so bad and hip hop is good, what changes have taken place for this to happen? Is it just another step into retroland uk, a sort of reaction against grime's modern innovation?

yeah thats weird. originally grime was seen as being the raw challenger to bloated mainstream corporate rap but now its also seen as an also ran, while hip hop is currently seen as creatively bankrupt. neither genre has particularly great PR at the moment.

anyway, this is from that fact mag interview with mr reynolds, he said this about grime -
"I think the classic sequence of underground>breakthrough>mainstreaming has become more complicated. Grime for instance doesn’t fit that model/narrative. The genre starts at the top of the charts, with So Solid Crew and Oxide & Neutrino, then dips away from the mainstream for a bit, then comes back through blogger and journalistic support circa Dizzee Rascal as this critically approved vanguard, gets tentatively embraced by the record industry, but then pretty much tanks in the popular marketplace. Now it’s in some kind of ghastly limbo between underground and mainstream, this sort of passed-its-moment, post-hip purgatory."

this person below has done a track with tinchy stryder. ive not heard it yet but she sounds fucking horrendous. sounds like french and saunders rapping.
http://www.myspace.com/goldielocksmusic
 
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Cornflake

Well-known member
im happy that i stopped doing the dizzee street team stuff cause i dont think after listening to some of the tunes on the radio that i really want to be pushing that album at all. It does remind me of those Black Eyed Peas albums (not to first two, i liked those). His bars just dont even do it for me for a while...
 

john eden

male pale and stale
There are flyposters up for JME's "Serious" single in Whitechapel.

They look very fetching. I'm guessing there's gonna be a big push on this one?

Good news!
 
awww what!

don't lock this thread off man

lets just keep it strictly gossip and lil' bits in here than break out into seperate threads for larger discussion ie. this dizzee and wiley thing

I need to read that observer piece sounds like
 

boomnoise

♫
There are flyposters up for JME's "Serious" single in Whitechapel.

They look very fetching. I'm guessing there's gonna be a big push on this one?

Good news!

this is the debut single on Rinse records. and my guessing is yes, there is going to be a sizable push with posters, pluggers etc.

they have a zinc remix on the flip as well.
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
i dont get why jmes serious is getting rereleasd a full year or more after it first came out? and its not even a remix on the a side is it? couldnt rinse have found another song?
 
i dont get why jmes serious is getting rereleasd a full year or more after it first came out? and its not even a remix on the a side is it? couldnt rinse have found another song?

my guess is that they think its the tune with the best chance of crossover appeal to the mass market, dont forget he's just made the video to this aswell, and thats looking pretty slick. Serious could become the ambassador for the scene in the charts. i guess with the posters/video and everything a chart position is what they're going for...
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
just re reading that OMM dizzee piece - must have missed the bit where he says he was into all the snap and trap stuff out at the moment. no wonder his bars are so basic now. i knew it was a bad omen when blackdown interviewed him and he said he really rated the first young jeezy album. :confused:
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Serious is coming out on boy better know

it is vended to itunes by rinse.

And it is an opener for him. They aren't looking at assaulting the charts, or even assaulting daytime radio. Just getting the music out there to people who may be receptive to it and slowly build it up
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
yeah, a lot of fraff. good beats, hes got a good voice, catchy catchphrases, and somehow he is likeable, but in flow terms, hes quite a terrible rapper. incredibly stunted and limited. at least the guys from d4l have fluent catchy flows. couldnt dizzee have listened to the clipse instead?! enough of that though, i dont wanna turn this into the hip hop thread.
 

Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
just re reading that OMM dizzee piece - must have missed the bit where he says he was into all the snap and trap stuff out at the moment. no wonder his bars are so basic now. i knew it was a bad omen when blackdown interviewed him and he said he really rated the first young jeezy album. :confused:

At the same time, Dizzee made clear that he relates to the American rappers, but still criticises English MCs who try and copy their style page for page. Funny that someone who seems so dedicatedly English has been making records that are getting increasingly compromised artistically by a duty to produce hits for the mainstream.

I pulled out the Movement's Tempo Specialist mixtape again the other day, you know, the one I talk so much shit about. I like it now.

See, I currently live in Toronto where we live in a frozen wasteland for half the year and forget what it's like to be outside in a T-shirt. Then it happens, and for 6 months the city turns into Miami.

This is a proper summer vibes mixtape, despite it's horribly frequent use of cheesy hip hop beats. Sometimes they really pull it off though without sounding pathetically reverent of everything American (a la "Murder Captial"). Tracks like "Can't Go On", "Fly Away", "The Reason" are actually really good for what they are.

I've been warming up more to hip-hop esque beats these days and accepting them as still being part of the overall grime sound. Some other examples off the top of my head here: Tinchy Styder's "Breakaway", Kano's "Layer Cake".

I just wish artists wouldn't make this such a focus on their mixtapes, but rather a way for them to explore their versatility as MCs. That's really what The Movement appear to be trying to achieve, if you take seriously what Wretch was saying on Logan's show back whenever.

Ghetto and Scorcher are absolutely ruthless MCs.
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
At the same time, Dizzee made clear that he relates to the American rappers, but still criticises English MCs who try and copy their style page for page. Funny that someone who seems so dedicatedly English has been making records that are getting increasingly compromised artistically by a duty to produce hits for the mainstream.

I pulled out the Movement's Tempo Specialist mixtape again the other day, you know, the one I talk so much shit about. I like it now.

See, I currently live in Toronto where we live in a frozen wasteland for half the year and forget what it's like to be outside in a T-shirt. Then it happens, and for 6 months the city turns into Miami.

This is a proper summer vibes mixtape, despite it's horribly frequent use of cheesy hip hop beats. Sometimes they really pull it off though without sounding pathetically reverent of everything American (a la "Murder Captial"). Tracks like "Can't Go On", "Fly Away", "The Reason" are actually really good for what they are.

I've been warming up more to hip-hop esque beats these days and accepting them as still being part of the overall grime sound. Some other examples off the top of my head here: Tinchy Styder's "Breakaway", Kano's "Layer Cake".

I just wish artists wouldn't make this such a focus on their mixtapes, but rather a way for them to explore their versatility as MCs. That's really what The Movement appear to be trying to achieve, if you take seriously what Wretch was saying on Logan's show back whenever.

Ghetto and Scorcher are absolutely ruthless MCs.

I like that album alot, especially 'Keep Your Head Up', which is just relentlessly happy and great for driving along to, it's another lost classic that grime has produced that should be getting Radio One daytime airplay, or worldwide. I did a remix of 'Skinny Sort' which isn't finished yet, but here's the dub
http://www.divshare.com/download/469604-cb5
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
when does the plastician album come out? i dont think this guy has ever released a bad single. not one. even the cha vocal didnt dissapoint (he should give some tips to other guys about recording vocals) and i get the impression he really puts his all into making sure all his tracks are properly 'finished'. plus, he actively speaks out against the hip-hopisation of grime which makes him the lengman of all lengmen (im picturing a grime western there). im going to make him by best friend on myspace :D
 

Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
when does the plastician album come out? i dont think this guy has ever released a bad single. not one. even the cha vocal didnt dissapoint (he should give some tips to other guys about recording vocals) and i get the impression he really puts his all into making sure all his tracks are properly 'finished'. plus, he actively speaks out against the hip-hopisation of grime which makes him the lengman of all lengmen (im picturing a grime western there). im going to make him by best friend on myspace :D

Plasticman is a don and he's a tight as fuck DJ as well.

EVEN the Cha vocal didn't disappoint?! The Cha vocal is, IMO, one of the biggest grime vocal releases. That riddim makes even the shittiest MCs sound so hype, and the vocal release is a perfect example of that.

Nappa's career highlight.
 
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