barry_abs
lil' beyutch
the words "chav" and "yob" make my skin crawl.. or any sort of accepted race / class prejudice.Perhaps the old fashioned term "yob" is more appropriate.
the words "chav" and "yob" make my skin crawl.. or any sort of accepted race / class prejudice.Perhaps the old fashioned term "yob" is more appropriate.
the words "chav" and "yob" make my skin crawl.. or any sort of accepted race / class prejudice.
I think using the term "chav" to describe working class people in general is pretty vile, but some people (including middle class types) are annoying, violent, tasteless, petty, aggressive and wilfully ignorant. Those who suffer most from chavs are the working class people getting mugged and burguled in their own neighboorhoods. Not to mention getting up every day to go to some minimum wage job when there are people scamming disability benefits and accident insurance so they can do fuck all.
While in theory this might be true, I've never ever heard the word applied to anyone middle-class in practice. While middle-class kids may play this role for a while, they have somewhere else to retreat to when they're bored of it/stigmatised by it.
It's true that aggression/pride in ignorance is endemic in a lot of places (including where I grew up in north Kent, where the term 'chav' originates from), but there's complex reasons for that.
escape stigma in your circles maybe!I know a lot of middle class people who are almost incredibly ignorant, but who escape any kind of stigma
speaks volumes about the general class of the media collective.
I personally think that 'chav', 'yob' and 'hooligan' are all used to designate "uncultured" (ie working class)-ness in the press.
Aren't you just as guilty, then, by equating uncultured-ness with working-class-ness?
***Edit: sorry, you did say "in the press". My mistake...*****
But just a minute ago you were talking about ignorant (and presumably uncultured) middle-class people.
If some guy wants to pick a fight with me for no reason as I'm walking home minding my own business, I don't particularly care at that point how many books he's read (although chances are the answer's 'not many'). For my money, designations like 'yob' and 'hooligan' (leaving aside 'chav' for a moment) have more to do with aggressive or otherwise antisocial behaviour than anything else.
I think that with 'yob', there are class undercurrents too. It's not as likely to be applied to a group of public-school rugby boys engaging in a bit of violence, as it is to kids from estates who are roughing people up.
But seriously, though - when was the last time you heard about 'public-school rugby boys' beating up (or stabbing or shooting) someone in the street? It generally *is* kids from estates who engage in this sort of behaviour, for one reason or another, and there's not much point in pretending otherwise.
But seriously, though - when was the last time you heard about 'public-school rugby boys' beating up (or stabbing or shooting) someone in the street? It generally *is* kids from estates who engage in this sort of behaviour, for one reason or another, and there's not much point in pretending otherwise.
Mate of mine got the shit kicked out of him recently (and he's big too) by a load of posh rugby player fellas for no reason in a nice area walking home from the village pub. It happens.
I think using the term "chav" to describe working class people in general is pretty vile, but some people (including middle class types) are annoying, violent, tasteless, petty, aggressive and wilfully ignorant. Those who suffer most from chavs are the working class people getting mugged and burguled in their own neighbourhoods. Not to mention getting up every day to go to some minimum wage job when there are people scamming disability benefits and accident insurance so they can do fuck all.
Perhaps the old fashioned term "yob" is more appropriate.
Suppose there could be a rival site called "Student Scum" full of pisstaking of people who have gap years, go to rock festivals, listen to indie music, go backpacking, talk in false working class accents, piss off the local people etc