Eminem...that's the thread

pattycakes_

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Also going through your list interesting to see Doggystyle and 2 Naughty by Nature albums the former because i dont think anybody would use the words "mature and deep"to talk about the same album that has ain't no fun if the homies, cant have none

Doggystyle was mature musically. Still one of the all time albums for beats imo.

And Naughty by Nature as much as it might pain you to hear this but one of Eminem's influences as a rapper is Trech there's a video of him reciting one of their tracks, not only that but not to discredit them they were like the more pop side of hardcore rap right?

Oh yeah, NBN had a playfulness to them, but some of their beats were hard

 

forclosure

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Weird thing is I love coflow but don't actually like el-p as a rapper all that much. Bigg Jus and el-p & mr Len's beats were the main draw for me.



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In that case you should delve into Bigg Jus's solo stuff including the two NMS albums he did with Orko eloheim/the sykotik alien
 

pattycakes_

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In that case you should delve into Bigg Jus's solo stuff including the two NMS albums he did with Orko eloheim/the sykotik alien

Bigg Jus solo and NMS stuff is dope. First few anyway. Sadly went a bit generic by the time he did Poor People's Day. No idea what happened really, lost all the Bigg Jusness
 

rubberdingyrapids

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The clarity, I got my clarity just studying Eminem when I was a kid. How I got in the studio was all just curiosity. I had a love for the music, but it was curiosity. The day I heard The Marshall Mathers LP, I was just like, How does that work? What is he doing? How is he putting his words together like that? What's the track under that? An ad-lib? What is that? And then, Why don't you go in the studio and see? So I do that. Then it became, How's his words cutting through the beat like that? What is he doing that I'm not doing, now that I'm into it? His time is impeccable. When he wants to fall off the beat, it's impeccable. These are things that, through experience and time, I had to learn.
 

rubberdingyrapids

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for my money no one was doing more original beats on an underground rap level in that time than el-p. im not a big fan of cannibal ox but beat-wise that album and fandam are a kind of peak of el-p's production post co-flow.
 

qwerty south

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@rubberdingyrapids on the topic of D-12 i want to say that Bizarre is a horrible rapper like good lord is he bad no flow at all and only committed to saying the nastiest shit possible

Alot of the complaints people direct to Marshall should be aimed at him lol
I like Bizarre's album "Hanni Cap Circus" a lot. I think Eminem says he got the Slim Shady style from Bizarre.

 

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I like Bizarre's album "Hanni Cap Circus" a lot. I think Eminem says he got the Slim Shady style from Bizarre.

Nah he got it from cage (who dissed him for ripping him off) and the outsidaz

Qwerty i don't know how else to say it but Bizarre is a cornball and the fact that he's been doing the same wacky cornball shit from when i was in school is tragic to say the least

Youtube algorithm sprang on me a track he did with Giggs of all people,Giggs killed him on it
 

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Also @pattycakes_ one thing i forgot to say to you yesterday if you want to just explore the depths of pre 96 rap you're not limited by what you can afford and go down whatever roads you see fit

I'm in a server where we're covering Point Blank's mad at the world as part of a album listening club thing, man dem in Texas were taking things further than whatever Big L and Gravediggaz could've imagined
 

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have you listened to any Above the law? If not as a g-funk fan its mandatory you get into them Cold 187um was arguably doing g-funk before Dre
 

pattycakes_

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Also @pattycakes_ one thing i forgot to say to you yesterday if you want to just explore the depths of pre 96 rap you're not limited by what you can afford and go down whatever roads you see fit

If you mean the lack of money comment from the earlier post, I was talking about back in the day pre the net when the only way to listen to something was buy it, a mate had it or catch it on the radio/mtv. Where I was there were no hiphop specialists so it was hard to get hold of anything that wasn't current or mainstream classic from the generic music store in my village. Getting underground stuff from the early 90s was basically impossible, aside from luckily having some mates with cooler older brothers. These days yeah, most shit can be found. Side note: it's kinda cool that some stuff, and often some really desirable stuff is still not to be found on youtube or soulseek or wherever. Cool that there's still some shit out of reach

I'm in a server where we're covering Point Blank's mad at the world as part of a album listening club thing, man dem in Texas were taking things further than whatever Big L and Gravediggaz could've imagined

Checking asap
 

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@pattycakes_
going back to what you said with jiggy rap and not feeling empowered by it cause it wasn't street cause of how flashy it was, it was but that might've been because it wasn't the streets you were familiar with. What i mean is that now stuff from that period what with the kind of samples used etc it's cause in spirit the music was harkening back to the very beginnings for rap in the late 70s and just how outsized and larger than life those rappers looked and sounded and especially considering the night life Harlem World being then name of the disco where some of the early pivotal rap battles happened it wasn't "divorced" at all but of course being brits and whatever that context was lost and wasn't commonly known like that.

so it didn't register as street to you the same way guys still rocking Timbs and Champion hoodies did

 
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