Kevin Shields bringing back MBV!

[gek-opel]

Again, the Who lack texture! The distortion is too deliberately discrete to allow much interesting signal. Horrible singer too, but good bass player though.

 

[nomadologist]

was talking about MBV. i hate the Who more. a lot more. all those completely retarded lyrics.

 

[shudder]

next: why No Wave was really shit. Actually, I think that argument's been made here before... And Sonic Youth has been trashed.

You know what really sucks, what's overall pretty disappointing, a lot less mindblowing than people always claim, totally overhyped? Music.

 

[gek-opel]

The image of indiekid-makeout sessions to "Loveless" is gross and persistent.

 

[gek-opel]

I prefer a lot of no-wave to MBV, I must say. It fulfills its nasty/atonal end of the bargain pretty well.

 

[shudder]

The image of indiekid-makeout sessions to "Loveless" is gross and persistent.

I've never, NEVER been guilty of this, despite my defense of the album.


Gek, you talked about how the actual album never lives up to the hype. I can sort of buy that. At least, the hype never really conveys how indie some of it feels, which I can imagine would be a turnoff for you. Is there other music that you think accomplishes better what Loveless is always touted as being? I've been listening to Tim Hecker's album recently (got if for xmas), and bits of it seem like MBV minus the songs/drums/indie.

 

[gek-opel]

Bits of music yes... some of it MBV influenced (like Slowdive obviously being more textural ie- "Crazy in love") the pitch-bent guitars thing (but done for unsettling effect rather than bliss-out effect, obviously) on the song "Tilt" by Scott Walker handles a similar effect in a noticeably more subtle way. Probably Glen Branca for full on guitar microtonal assault. Actually when I last listened to MBV was a while ago when I had yet to fully hate indie...

 

[nomadologist]

i said that MBV don't execute their concept well like 10 times. that was like my major point already.

 

[shudder]

but you see, once gek says the same thing, it gets a sort of gravitas behind the point... sorry.

any branca recommendations? I've read about him and his guitar orchestras, but never heard anything...

 

[nomadologist]

suicide is so much better than all of that indie psychedelic shit. so is cabaret voltaire. i'd rather have sex to "frankie teardrop" than "to here knows when". hahahah. i just made myself laugh out loud at work.

 

[tht]

The image of indiekid-makeout sessions to "Loveless" is gross and persistent.

this (and nomad's high school discursion) suggest that wanting-not-to-like underlies all of this (apologias notwithstanding)

not saying every criticism of loveless is unwitting rationalization, but if you can't get sofia coppola out of your mind then that's very unfortunate really!

 

[gek-opel]

My point is the same-but-opposite tho, Nomadologist: not enough texture. Though I admit that at the time it might have sounded brilliant, given the level of influence "Loveless" has had it may be difficult to hear those innovations with fresh ears.

Symphony no.5 is pretty good Branca.

 

[nomadologist]

bros before hos right? and message board seniority. this place runs just like a corporation.

 

[gek-opel]

this (and nomad's high school discursion) suggest that wanting-not-to-like underlies all of this (apologias notwithstanding)

not saying every criticism of loveless is unwitting rationalization, but if you can't get sofia coppola out of your mind then that's very unfortunate really!

I've never knowingly seen a Sofia Coppola film! And I really want to like MBV, I really do...

 

[nomadologist]

i don't know, tht. come to america and see who's making out to MBV. that's some gut-wrenching 11 o'clock news shit.

plus i just find it boring, it's not bad

 

[nomadologist]

oh wait. here's another one--i hate glen branca. steve reich is mildly more tolerable.

 

[shudder]

suicide is so much better than all of that indie psychedelic shit. so is cabaret voltaire. i'd rather have sex to "frankie teardrop" than "to here knows when". hahahah. i just made myself laugh out loud at work.

ugh... one shudders a the thought. First time I heard it, I was borrowing someone's iPod, and walking around downtown listening to Frankie... I was totally engrossed, but when the shouting comes in, I almost tore the earbuds out.. not because I didn't like it, but because it scared the crap out of me. I know you've been throwing around words about yr S&M fancies, etc., but fucking to a story about...

 

[nomadologist]

it was a perverse sort of laugh at how utterly absurd that would be. although who knows if it's happened accidentally. i lived with these guys once, one of them made this art installation and there was a lightshow where he edited all these sounds from frankie teardrop into it. i seriously heard that song for days on end

 

[tht]

all of these post minimal pseudo avant c people branca / reich etc can jump

loveless is no shit pop modernism, latterday scott and his handmedown xenakis glissandi can't get close

ugh... one shudders a the thought. First time I heard it, I was borrowing someone's iPod, and walking around downtown listening to Frankie... I was totally engrossed, but when the shouting comes in, I almost tore the earbuds out.. not because I didn't like it, but because it scared the crap out of me. I know you've been throwing around words about yr S&M fancies, etc., but fucking to a story about...

frankie t could possibly accompany a fat trucker wanking on child porn but anything less would be doing it immense disservice

 

[nomadologist]

hahahaha that's more "happiness" than suicide. i would picture it more serenading a crackhead in the bronx jerking off into a dumpster then yelling at rats about their delusions