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well this one reminds me of harmonia quite a bit:
I mean if this wasn't from a regular poster it would look like blatant street teaming eh?bloody hell!
heard street horrrsing their album ?
what i want - definitely one of my albums of the year so far.
Like Hanadensha who I mentioned earlier who's presentation and music obviously bares no relation.yeah i don't particularly like Fuck Buttons but the comparisons they're getting here are pretty shortsighted and weigh far too heavily on the "indie from the last ten years or so" side
Is correct. If people mention these sources than it's because that's where it comes via. If people have mentioned more 'indie' stuff it's in an attempt to get away from how blindingly obvious and regurgitated the other reference points are.black dice, sunroof, maybe a lil suicide and a little vision creation era boredoms.... though generally its a very "american underground" aesthetic. they don't seem to have listened back much further than that...
Maybe what you say is true about UK "noise dweebs" but it doesn't apply to the noise scene in the northeast US. First of all, Animal Collective has virtually zero connection to the nyc/NE US noise scene. AC are perceived as an oddball pitchfork-approved pop band, and their overlap is nonexistent if you're talking about facts on the ground. Their influence on the noise community in the NE US is virtually nil.This is basically about noise dweebs getting over nihilism and edging towards the 'positivity' they previously dismissed as too hippy, because Animal Collective and Load records now say it's OK.
Yeah you're right, not accurate to name AC in that context.Maybe what you say is true about UK "noise dweebs" but it doesn't apply to the noise scene in the northeast US. First of all, Animal Collective has virtually zero connection to the nyc/NE US noise scene. AC are perceived as an oddball pitchfork-approved pop band, and their overlap is nonexistent if you're talking about facts on the ground. Their influence on the noise community in the NE US is virtually nil.
I hear what you are saying and agree to a large extent. But a couple of comments:What I was trying to get at was that it's a shift in what's acceptable / fashionable, and probably one I should welcome in a way. But it's just annoying when I know that so many people who now like this would say three years ago have totally missed the psych-informed end of things and been into Wolf Eyes.
I hear what you are saying and agree to a large extent. But a couple of comments:
- The unpleasant feeling wrought by hipster fly-by-night fashion-chasers signing up as fans will always be there, no matter what genre you're talking about, so I try to keep that out of my own judgment (to the degree that it's possible).
- Also, I don't think that a dissensus thread on fuck buttons is really representative of a shift, as I'd guess that most US noisers haven't even heard of them. And in any case, the shift is inevitable, as eventually even noise chains and feedback loops will become boring to the testosterone boys and they'll start looking for new ways to create (e.g., add blissed out synths; prurient already has an element of that, though I'm not really a fan).
- The marketplace for popular music these days is a lot like the cliche about 'nature', i.e., 'it abhors a void.' What I mean is that all possible permutations will probably eventually see the light of day, driven by affordability of technology, democratization of access, and the unavoidable allure of copying something you personally love ... sooo, you want Television + Joy Division + Smiths, voila, you've got the crap that is Interpol. You want garage rock repackaged? Here's White Stripes. You want the UK version of Interpol? Here's the Editors. Lol, etc.
So yeah, for the casio-playing pedal-loop distorted vocal bearded crowd to start adding harmonic textures is pretty much inevitable, and already here (independently of fuck buttons). The key is for thoughtful listeners to tell each other about the bands that are fresh and to call bullshit on the copyist hacks. As to which camp fuck buttons falls into, I don't have enough information to come to my own conclusion (yet). But first impressions lead me to believe that this very forgettable music - though I do hasten add that it's nice, imho, to see people trying to add memorable harmonic content to a semi-'noise' approach.
Hmm of course, wise words. And it wouldn't bother me but sometimes that's just such a large proportion of what goes on, here.- The unpleasant feeling wrought by hipster fly-by-night fashion-chasers signing up as fans will always be there, no matter what genre you're talking about, so I try to keep that out of my own judgment (to the degree that it's possible).
Sure but again I'm not talking about this thread so much as what I see around me. This isn't all theoretical.- Also, I don't think that a dissensus thread on fuck buttons is really representative of a shift, as I'd guess that most US noisers haven't even heard of them.
Yeah, all permutations provided for. The thing about influence though is of course you might love something but you have to assimilate, integrate and do your thing rather than just contrive to bosh a few borrowed elements together and regurgitate.- The marketplace for popular music these days is a lot like the cliche about 'nature', i.e., 'it abhors a void.' What I mean is that all possible permutations will probably eventually see the light of day, driven by affordability of technology, democratization of access, and the unavoidable allure of copying something you personally love ... sooo, you want Television + Joy Division + Smiths, voila, you've got the crap that is Interpol. You want garage rock repackaged? Here's White Stripes. You want the UK version of Interpol? Here's the Editors. Lol, etc.
All true. Like I say, on the face of it I should be pleased and I know I've been a little bit harsh on the old Button Fuckers.So yeah, for the casio-playing pedal-loop distorted vocal bearded crowd to start adding harmonic textures is pretty much inevitable, and already here (independently of fuck buttons). The key is for thoughtful listeners to tell each other about the bands that are fresh and to call bullshit on the copyist hacks. As to which camp fuck buttons falls into, I don't have enough information to come to my own conclusion (yet). But first impressions lead me to believe that this very forgettable music - though I do hasten add that it's nice, imho, to see people trying to add memorable harmonic content to a semi-'noise' approach.
I didn't mean to imply they are, already said it was inaccurate to name them in that context. But this is a UK band and I was talking about the UK scene as I see and engage with it. I'm talking about people and bands that I know and stuff that I've been involved with. AC got mentioned originally I think because FB do owe something to them in terms of AC being seen as responsible in some way for popularising yelping / floor tom banging / euphoric exuberance and folk / psych aspects combined with electronics, at least for a certain demographic. It's not that relevant though.@Noel
I guess the real thing I'm resisting is the idea that Animal Collective are arbiters of anything, let alone the real taste or vibe of the scene in the U.S. at the moment...
Well I'm more on the kraut / psych / freakout / electronic side of things than the noise side I guess, if anything. So this to me looks like the noise scene coming late to what the rest of us have been on And yeah that's it, for the psych to be acceptable it has to have the noise association, that's a bit annoying. And with the dance / techno elements I always hated the useless condescending attitude to integrating that - like there's no real engagement there, just add a shitty kick drum and some gated chords or whatever - not FB but in general. But that's all divisive nonsense and it's good if indie embraces noise and noise embraces dance and so on. Why not. I just want good music. No one's complaining about that guy that sounds like Panda Bear because it sounds really good.
Yeah you're right, not accurate to name AC in that context.
What I was trying to get at was that it's a shift in what's acceptable / fashionable, and probably one I should welcome in a way. But it's just annoying when I know that so many people who now like this would say three years ago have totally missed the krautrock / psych-informed end of things and been into Wolf Eyes or whatever. Obviously Boredoms are the big avatars of that shift but that all happened over ten years ago.
Not imaginary. I'm not going to name names am I.i don't understand complaining about a kind of imaginary ' other people ' when discussing music
Not a bad thing. I didn't say that at all.and the idea of noise people not being nihilistic as a bad thing etc,
Well of course but I think sometimes battle lines get drawn up in music. If you are involved in creating and participating in a music scene you can come up against opposing attitudes - it's different to just sitting back and making consumer choices from your pile of free promos.who cares do what you want please,- i don't care about any of that stuff essentially, people can do what they want,
Fair enough.i was talking about the album which is great, and mixes stuff together that i really like, in a nice shiny dayglo way.
Well of course their exact sound has only been around for as long as they've been doing it. But things like this have been, obviously not so visibly.The fuckbuttons sound hasn't been around for a long time too, that's bullshit, things like it have been but not the stuff they make.
I don't think anyone was sneering at Animal Collective. They got mentioned here for other reasons.Animal collective are in a small way thru paw tracks, a good and hip outlet for some great music, which might reach a wider audience than it might not otherwise, so that's nuffin to sneer at unless your some kind of hipper than thou underground cunt.
Well of course but I think sometimes battle lines get drawn up in music. If you are involved in creating and participating in a music scene you can come up against opposing attitudes - it's different to just sitting back and making consumer choices from your pile of free promos.