Addiction

[nomadthethird]

What a predictable response. I was irritated by your patronising tone, not your viewpoint. Which is of little consequence seeing as I don't know you and most of what you write sounds very much like self-aggrandising lies to me.

Darling, I have a healthy degree of humility. You have to learn it, sadly.

What are you talking about here?

I've done nothing in my life but lived through my own mistakes. I have no problem admitting I'm very much a fallible human, and that my life has been difficult. I don't really care what you think of me. Life is too short. And it's the internet--I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to discuss topics of importance and interest to me.

 

[nomadthethird]

self-aggrandising

Yes, how self-aggrandizing--my life is a mess, I wouldn't wish the last two years of my life on Saddam Hussein or Hitler, many of my friends are dead or as good as dead, half of my relatives are dying slow, painful deaths, I have two neurological disorders that make my life a living hell, I don't really see my life getting much better.

What a self-aggrandizing braggart!

If that's your idea of self-aggrandizement, you are sick in the head.

 

[baboon2004]

What are you talking about here?

I've done nothing in my life but lived through my own mistakes. I have no problem admitting I'm very much a fallible human, and that my life has been difficult. I don't really care what you think of me. Life is too short. And it's the internet--I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to discuss topics of importance and interest to me.

I'm talking about the fact that I've met many people like you before, who have to make their life sound like the most difficult, their triumphs like the most triumphant etc etc. They rarely are.

Life is indeed too short, but you do care what I think about you (and vice versa, I'm sad to admit), because you're answering what I say in a way that obviously shows that you do (and vice versa). That's another fallacy you're perpetuating (that people don't care about what's said about them on the internet - truth is, human ego is generally too strong).

The quote of yours I was referring to.....:

"porn watchers often have to keep finding more over-the-top images because the tamest ones stop working over time. They end up being totally visual and not tactile (a woman's nightmare!)"

This is a (untrue) cliche that is often trotted out. That was my point.

 

[nomadthethird]

Oh, give me strength.

If it's true, I'm very sorry to hear all that. But I've read a lot of the things you say in my time on Dissensus, and I'm afraid a lot fo what you say doens't ring true to me at all.

"Sick in the head" - yes, I do in fact have a genetic neurological disorder. That makes us both sick in the head. Touche.

You realize that there are a couple of people who post here who know me well, right? Who've been to my apartment? Who've hung out with me? Ask them if I'm lying about my life. Go ahead.

Just leave this crap out of threads, it's petty and stupid. This was an interesting discussion until you dragged it back to your fucking sexual prowess (again!) like you do most discussions of sexual politics.

 

[nomadthethird]

I'm talking about the fact that I've met many people like you before, who have to make their life sound like the most difficult, their triumphs like the most triumphant etc etc. They rarely are.

Life is indeed too short, but you do care what I think about you (and vice versa, I'm sad to admit), because you're answering what I say in a way that obviously shows that you do (and vice versa). That's another fallacy you're perpetuating (that people don't care about what's said about them on the internet - truth is, human ego is generally too strong).

The quote of yours I was referring to.....:

"porn watchers often have to keep finding more over-the-top images because the tamest ones stop working over time. They end up being totally visual and not tactile (a woman's nightmare!)"

This is a (untrue) cliche that is often trotted out. That was my point.

I'm simply responding to your lame attempts to belittle and condescend to me. You've done it for years on here. I expect no different from you. For some reason, you see me as some kind of threat to your "manhood", because you've only ever responded to my posts about sexual identity politics, and always with a "you evil feminist shrew!" type of response. Frankly, I think you're sort of dim.

Sorry to break this to you, but the idea that mainstream porn has become increasingly more over-the-top, and created porn addicts have begun chasing ever more over-the-top stimuli, is not my idea. It's a medical fact, and it's a testable hypothesis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18241634

 

[baboon2004]

Yes, how self-aggrandizing--my life is a mess, I wouldn't wish the last two years of my life on Saddam Hussein or Hitler, many of my friends are dead or as good as dead, half of my relatives are dying slow, painful deaths, I have two neurological disorders that make my life a living hell, I don't really see my life getting much better.

What a self-aggrandizing braggart!

If that's your idea of self-aggrandizement, you are sick in the head.

Oh, give me strength.

If it's true, I'm very sorry to hear all that. But I've read a lot of the things you say in my time on Dissensus, and I'm afraid a lot fo what you say doens't ring true to me at all.

"Sick in the head" - yes, I do in fact have a genetic neurological disorder. That makes us both sick in the head. Touche.

 

[nomadthethird]

I don't think my life is particularly triumphant, or particularly difficult. I know lots of people who have it considerably worse, and considerably better than me.

I'm just interested in honesty, and people who aren't afraid to admit that they've had struggles. I respect those kinds of people. I think they are much stronger than people who hide.

 

[baboon2004]

I'm simply responding to your lame attempts to belittle and condescend to me. You've done it for years on here. I expect no different from you. For some reason, you see me as some kind of threat to your "manhood", because you've only ever responded to my posts about sexual identity politics, and always with a "you evil feminist shrew!" type of response. Frankly, I think you're sort of dim.

Sorry to break this to you, but the idea that mainstream porn has become increasingly more over-the-top, and created porn addicts have begun chasing ever more over-the-top stimuli, is not my idea. It's a medical fact, and it's a testable hypothesis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18241634

Oh, that made me laugh.

I've never had a conversation with you before.

Who's the dim one now?

 

[nomadthethird]

Oh, that made me laugh.

I've never had a conversation with you before.

Who's the dim one now?

Uhhh, yes you have.

Check out the thread called "Is there any such thing as straight women?"...also, I recall vividly being told by you that I was "sick" for rejecting a potential sex partner under the influence of ecstasy. That was a really long time ago, probably 2-3 years ago. Search and you'll see.

 

[baboon2004]

You realize that there are a couple of people who post here who know me well, right? Who've been to my apartment? Who've hung out with me? Ask them if I'm lying about my life. Go ahead.

Just leave this crap out of threads, it's petty and stupid. This was an interesting discussion until you dragged it back to your fucking sexual prowess (again!) like you do most discussions of sexual politics.

I don't care, to be honest. As you said, it's the internet and you don't care what I think.

I know. I started the thread.

I repeat my answer above. Jeez, what ARE you talking about? You don't know who you're responding to at all, do you? As with all self-obsessed people.

Goodnight.

 

[nomadthethird]

I don't care, to be honest. As you said, it's the internet and you don't care what I think.

I know. I started the thread.

I repeat my answer above. Jeez, what ARE you talking about? You don't know who you're responding to at all, do you? As with all self-obsessed people.

Goodnight.

Zhao, do you see why I hate it here?

Any attempt at a serious discussion of difficult or interesting topics always comes back to this kind of shit.

I can't stand fucking uptight British people, who act like anybody with life experience outside of their fucking little home-module, or outside of society's little norms, must be "making things up" to brag. It's stupid. It's irrelevant. And it's a waste of my time.

 

[baboon2004]

Uhhh, yes you have.

Check out the thread called "Is there any such thing as straight women?"...also, I recall vividly being told by you that I was "sick" for rejecting a potential sex partner under the influence of ecstasy. That was a really long time ago, probably 2-3 years ago. Search and you'll see.

To give you a fair chance, I did check it out. That thread was two or three months ago, in fact (Jan 09).

I made one comment, to which you replied. I didn't reply again. In fact, i kinda agreed with what you said in that post.

As for the ecstasy/sick thing...er...dunno where you got that from.

 

[nomadthethird]

For as long as I've been on here, I remember you being here. Those are far from the only two times you've responded to something I've said, but nearly every reply to anything I've ever posted on here from you has been about how I'm such a meany feminist.

I'm not talking about YOU or your porn habits, I don't know you. I'm talking about social issues that are well-established to be problematic by professionals and researchers, not Joe Blow on the internet. I very clearly stated that the problem is not porn itself, but the saturation of society by images and its effects on adolescents.

Why you would implicate yourself in that statement is beyond me, but I certainly did not implicate you.

 

[nomadthethird]

What does this have to do with being British? Again, another generalisation. Yawn. I deal with people every day who operate further outside the norms of society than you ever will, so don't give me that shit.

Do you wonder why you continually put people's backs up? Maybe it's something to do with you being a prima donna...? Nah, couldn't possibly be you, must be other people...

Anyway, really, goodnight.

Did I say all British people are uptight? No. I simply said I can't stand the British people who are uptight.

Goodnight.

 

[baboon2004]

Zhao, do you see why I hate it here?

Any attempt at a serious discussion of difficult or interesting topics always comes back to this kind of shit.

I can't stand fucking uptight British people, who act like anybody with life experience outside of their fucking little home-module, or outside of society's little norms, must be "making things up" to brag. It's stupid. It's irrelevant. And it's a waste of my time.

What does this have to do with being British? Again, another generalisation. Yawn. I deal with people every day who operate further outside the norms of society than you ever will, so don't give me that shit.

Do you wonder why you continually put people's backs up? Maybe it's something to do with you being a prima donna...? Nah, couldn't possibly be you, must be other people...

Anyway, really, goodnight.

 

[baboon2004]

For as long as I've been on here, I remember you being here. Those are far from the only two times you've responded to something I've said, but nearly every reply to anything I've ever posted on here from you has been about how I'm such a meany feminist.

I'm not talking about YOU or your porn habits, I don't know you. I'm talking about social issues that are well-established to be problematic by professionals and researchers, not Joe Blow on the internet. I very clearly stated that the problem is not porn itself, but the saturation of society by images and its effects on adolescents.

Why you would implicate yourself in that statement is beyond me, but I certainly did not implicate you.

Wtf?? Please - you're thinking of someone else. Try to understand this.

 

[nomadthethird]

Yawn. I deal with people every day who operate further outside the norms of society than you ever will, so don't give me that shit.

Sure you do. This sounds like a lie to me. Self-aggrandizer.

 

[nomadthethird]

Wtf?? Please - you're thinking of someone else. Try to understand this.

If that makes you feel better, believe it.

 

[nomadthethird]

Byebye

Zhao, STN:

I'm all for vigorous debates of serious issues, but I don't think this forum can sustain them. In the future, I'd be happy to talk to you or anybody else who has serious questions about addiction from a first-person perspective, or from a scientific one, but I don't know if it's worth talking about in public for me. (I need to avoid things that jeopardize my recovery.)

Apparently, the knowledge that some people use drugs and have struggled with them is too much for some people to handle. I suppose I shouldn't expect anything less from the internet. So thanks for the interesting discussion, but I'm outtie again.

[Zhao, if anyone asks, just give them my email address at your own discretion. I trust you.]

 

[josef k.]

This man was in prison for 27 years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/apr/29/sean-hodgson-release-prison