Why Conspiracy Theories?

[luka]

I can't be myself without it rubbing you up the wrong way and vice versa we just need to accept it and not let it spill over into silliness

 

[luka]

We can have fun with it I think. No need for it to be poisonous and no need to pretend it doesn't exist

 

[Mr. Tea]

What came of CERN? Fuck all. They saw a new particle. Did they understand it? No. Guess who knew we were made of millions of vibrating particles millenia ago? The ancient Indians.

Haha, oh my god, just seen this. Some third-hand regurgitated Fritjof Kapra. Lovely.

 

[luka]

Ah Tea lighten up its ok. Let patty be patty

 

[pattycakes_]

It's silly on purpose, Tea. But with a little pinch of cumin.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Tea, you have to understand it's a spiritual opposition it's built into the structure of reality me and you. We have to be at odds. It's the way of things. It's not personal.

Well it kind of is, though, isn't it?

I don't think I've ever asked you anything as deliberately, provocatively moronic as "what's the point of poetry?", not even specifically to wind you up. But it would be an exact mirror to the attitude you and patty are taking here.

Being "at odds" is fine it leads somewhere productive. But spiritual dick-sizing contests? Sorry, not interested.

 

[luka]

I don't agree with this characterisation. But I can see your upset so it's better not to pursue it. I'm sorry to have upset you. I get wound up by you quite badly. You get under my skin.

 

[luka]

There's something about your attitude to life I find threatening. sometimes I feel the need to attack it and try and destroy it because it is threatening. It's like when I said sometimes I feel poetix wants to cut off my oxygen supply. I don't know if that makes sense to you but it's how I experience it.

 

[luka]

I genuinely don't want to upset you Mr. Tea. i genuinely don't want to upset you either Patty and it leaves lingering lasting discomfort anxiety and remorse every time I do so. I know I do upset both of you and I regret it. I like to think of myself as being basically a nice person though obviously sometimes I'm not.

, I'm going to go out walk this booze off and get something to eat. So see you in a little while.

 

[pattycakes_]

You've so wilfully blinded yourself to any area of thought or experience outside your own interests that you've even mentioned CERN in your own post while failing to consider that the people working there are literally investigating the secrets of creation itself. Is that great enough for you?

Yeah, and my point was they're going at it the wrong way. You're never going to figure out whatever God is with science. That's my serious, non playful stance on the matter and pretty much the jist of the whole post. And yeah we won't see eye to eye, but I respect your pov. One thing I know is that I'm really not certain about much at all and like to leave things open to possibility. Many things which if admitted would lead to ridicule, but I don't mind that, it doesn't take anything away from my own enjoyment of it. It has its cons, but also many pros, like when it comes to being creative. I don't think I'm right, I just found what works for me... sometimes. But I do think to absolutely write off another way of thinking because it's on the wrong end of your belief spectrum is totally wrong. And if that also leads to the need to attack it then I quickly become suspicious of it. Luka is allowed, because that's his thing. I'm talking more about the rational attacking the mystical. Maybe mystical doesn't have to be so grandiose? Maybe it's just a little flame to keep burning inside of yourself to keep an element of fantasy in your existence. A way to hold on to a tiny piece of the child you once were. Maybe it's something to have a little fun with. I don't try to push it onto people, if at all, it's mostly communicated non verbally and sometimes the other person gets it and that can be a nice thing to share. Music being the main channel. But do you admit there are things out there that science will never understand? Does that not ever make you wonder?

 

[pattycakes_]

It's kind of interesting how when people consume certain plants, they're visited by spirits who look the same as spirits other people met on the same plant, sometimes on opposite ends of the planet. Totally unlimited by time and location. The rational response to that is it must be suggestion. Well what about those who had no idea what they were getting into like Robert Anton Wilson when he ate Peyote in the 50s? Why did he meet mescalio and see all those aztec patterns? He had no idea what it was.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Yeah, and my point was they're going at it the wrong way. You're never going to figure out whatever God is with science.

But I don't think anyone ever claimed that science could, or should, be able to "figure out god", any more than the purpose of Canterbury cathedral was to discover the Higgs boson. So if it doesn't do that, then it's hardly a failure on the part of science, any more than there's something wrong with your washing machine because it doesn't play music.

 

[luka]

I think me and patty assume that the unconscious motivation of CERN is to force the hand of God or to find his makers mark. We wouldn't expect to convince you of this so please don't shout at me.

 

[pattycakes_]

But I don't think anyone ever claimed that science could, or should, be able to "figure out god", any more than the purpose of Canterbury cathedral was to discover the Higgs boson. So if it doesn't do that, then it's hardly a failure on the part of science, any more than there's something wrong with your washing machine because it doesn't play music.

The Higgs Boson is aka the god particle. They built CERN to find it and understand it. From my limited reading on it, it's supposed to be the particle that tells other particles what to do. Therefore it contains some form of intelligence, and therefore could be construed as a search for a form of god.

 

[Mr. Tea]

But I do think to absolutely write off another way of thinking because it's on the wrong end of your belief spectrum is totally wrong. And if that also leads to the need to attack it then I quickly become suspicious of it. Luka is allowed, because that's his thing. I'm talking more about the rational attacking the mystical.

I think this, right here, is the crux of it. I feel you and luka often respond to some of my posts as if I'd said "There definitely isn't a god or a world-soul or anything like that and anyone who disagrees is a gullible twat." Again, I've gone out of my way not to say that, and in fact it's not even my position. I'm actually more of an agnostic than an atheist (although you could use the phrase 'agnostic atheist' - the point being, I think it's foolish to make a definitive claim about something that can't be proven one way or the other).

 

[version]

It's the particle that gives the others mass, isn't it?

 

[luka]

I think one of the things that agitates me is as I said earlier the need to jump in any time anyone says anything mad and scoff at it. This time it wS yyyaldrin remarking on the latent authoritarian/fascist alignment between the environmental movement and the super rich powerful.

Which I think is real and interesting and dangerous and crystallises around the issue of overpopulation.

It's the sort of thing which conspiracy theory is very good at picking out and dramatising.

 

[luka]

Not to pick at the scab but just in the interest of explaining how I feel and what makes me react in the ways I do.

 

[luka]

Yyyaldrin hasn't commented since and I think is probably less likely to venture those intuitions in future so a whole avenue of conversation gets shut down for fear of ridicule

 

[Mr. Tea]

The Higgs Boson is aka the god particle.

Yeah, I was thinking of that phrase when I typed that post. I want to hurt whoever called it that.