luka
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It's like trying to explain a 9 dimensional world to those of us trapped in 3 dimensions. It's can't be done.
Brexit Day
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It's like trying to explain a 9 dimensional world to those of us trapped in 3 dimensions. It's can't be done.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
It very quickly became like one of those old threads from 2005 where temporal distance will not allow access to that world, except it happened last night. A rupture in the spacetime continuum
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
Kind of interested in the free horseraces tbh
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
He may be some or all of those things but he's also arguing from several points that are categorically wrong, and on at least one occasion paraphrasing Nigel Farage.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Trying to get it going again but there is so much apathy. It's weird, they have two world-conquering heroes* whose statues are everywhere and who have streets and bridges named after them but the spirit that drove them, that desire to win seems to have long ago** vanished. All the contemporary Portuguese want to do is cover seafood in butter and coriander and scoff it by the ton. Which I also respect.
*Vasca da Gama and Ronaldo
**After Euro 2016
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IdleRich
IdleRich
The English and the Portuguese were traditional allies against the dastardly Dutch and nefarious French I understand. Portuguese got Goa, Macao... some minor latin countries, England got India, Africa, ultimately US and Canada and Australia too sadly, France got Vietnam, the rest of Africa apart from the southern bit which went to NL along with Indonesia and so on. And then Portugal betrayed us by repeatedly beating us on penalties - probably backed by Russian money. That's my understanding of world history in a nutshell. Did I miss anything?
IdleRich
IdleRich
Just cos someone thinks that the UK should be in the EU, it doesn't necessarily follow that they think the EU itself is a good thing.
It looks to me as though the UK leaving has actually strengthened the EU as people see what a cluster-fuck leaving it is... and probably when they see the UK in a few years it will get even stronger.
john eden
male pale and stale
What don't you like about the EU, rich?
IdleRich
IdleRich
Nor does it mean I'm against it. I'm just saying that given that it does exist, it's better to be part of it. Kind of a neutral position.
I do like the way that a war between, say, Germany and France has become unimaginable over the last forty odd years - I don't know to what extent that is down to the EU but maybe it's part of it. The downsides are probably in the way that it can bully other trading blocks... and that that will be done by an unelected trade commissioner who seems to act unilaterally. I mean fuck it, there are loads of downsides, there are loads of upsides too, probably more of them on balance, but either way, it does exist so, if you can't beat 'em join 'em.
I do like the way that a war between, say, Germany and France has become unimaginable over the last forty odd years - I don't know to what extent that is down to the EU but maybe it's part of it. The downsides are probably in the way that it can bully other trading blocks... and that that will be done by an unelected trade commissioner who seems to act unilaterally. I mean fuck it, there are loads of downsides, there are loads of upsides too, probably more of them on balance, but either way, it does exist so, if you can't beat 'em join 'em.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Every time I heard Pascal Lamy I thought "Hang on he's speaking for me (and millions of other people) and yet what he's saying is the exact opposite of what I want" now obviously you can't boil millions of people's views down into like that but where the fuck did he come from?
IdleRich
IdleRich
Arguably there is a democratic deficit... but it's not where people think in sovereignty. If there is s law the UK really doesn't like it can veto it, if they don't do that they have years to implement it and if they don't they'll get a slap on the wrist and a few more years. There are loads of directives that have been pretty much ignored.
But when the EU acts in relation to other countries there might be more of a problem. OK the countries' elected politicians appoint people and then they appoint someone else but if that person then tells an African country they've got to drop a tariff or something (which the west was happy to use until it was so powerful it didn't need them and decided they were bad) then that just happens and it's difficult to see where our input in that process is.
But when the EU acts in relation to other countries there might be more of a problem. OK the countries' elected politicians appoint people and then they appoint someone else but if that person then tells an African country they've got to drop a tariff or something (which the west was happy to use until it was so powerful it didn't need them and decided they were bad) then that just happens and it's difficult to see where our input in that process is.
maybe not, but the UK breaking up is long since due, surely. imperial legacy and that. if you want change you have to wrestle with its uncomfortable consequences. don't pull out like a wimp.
I mean if I did vote in 2016, i would have been far more likely to vote remain, just cos I know which scum was running the brexit campaign. But it's as if most anglo remainers just conveniently ignore that the brexiteers have got them where they want them to be.