Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)

[john eden]

How do you lot feel about dying? Some of you have had a good innings already of course and would probably have no regrets

I’m just getting the hang of it all so I’d like to string it out a bit longer.

But if it’s my time that’s ok.

When I take a step back and look at it all I think it’s a beautiful mess but I basically did alright.

You need to carry on though Luka. Sorry, them’s the breaks.

 

[IdleRich]

Dying... obviously I don't want to die. I don't think I fear it itself though in that I assume I won't be something I experience. A long lingering slide to an inevitable death would be pretty miserable though (arguably that's a description of life) so I'd much a much prefer a sudden thing given the choice. Although having said that I guess you might want to put your affairs in order, say goodbye to everyone... tell that old girlfriend to fuck off whatever.
I certainly feel that there is a lot more I want to achieve in life... maybe achieve isn't the right word, probably do is more accurate. But - without being two maudlin or hopefully too cheesy - two people we know have died in the last month unexpectedly and it impressed on me how important it is to do things while you can. Like if there is someone you've been meaning to get in touch with someone or say something important probably best to do it soonest cos you or they might get hit by a bus tomorrow. That's a real platitude I know but it's a horrible feeling when a chance has been missed forever.

you reckon i can come visit once after all this shit is over? your guys are extraordinary

Well we got a spare room...

 

[baboon2004]

That's not cheesy at all Rich, it's the truth. And I'm very sorry to hear about the two people you know who have died.

Definitely don't want to die, I feel like things were/are starting to come together and there's lots of things I really want to do still. But conversely, I feel less utterly panicked about the idea than I once did - the two are probably connected.

But dying unpleasantly is a whole different matter again.

 

[IdleRich]

That's not cheesy at all Rich, it's the truth. And I'm very sorry to hear about the two people you know who have died.

Definitely don't want to die, I feel like things were/are starting to come together and there's lots of things I really want to do still. But conversely, I feel less utterly panicked about the idea than I once did - the two are probably connected.

But dying unpleasantly is a whole different matter again.

Thanks Baboon.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Hmm, no, not really. Weird thread to read now though. I recommend checking it out

On the first page:

This is the plot to Utopia. Applauding this as a positive development for humanity reeks of misanthropy and eugenics, especially when this is likely to affect the third world disproportionately.

White western males - always ready to sacrifice other people's lives or fertility "to save the planet".

By the second page I was accused of "shitting in someone's mouth" by suggesting that more education for girls in third-world countries might be a good thing.

 

[pattycakes_]

we get it tea, you are good

 

[Mr. Tea]

we get it tea, you are good

Lol. The point isn't about "winning" an argument, though. The point is that, to me, overpopulation is self-evidently a big problem. Some people disagree, and maybe some of them frame their position as "The earth's ecosystem could sustain a bigger human population if there was a more equitable distribution of land and resources and less reliance on fossil fuels". It's a cogent position, regardless of whether it's "right" or not.

But others react with "You are a racist and obviously support eugenics", as demonstrated in the Zika thread.

 

[luka]

No one said that Tea you funny thing

 

[luka]

can't find the other one i posted the other day saying the same thing, i was surprised how little i saw this brought up:

Crashing the economy will also cost lives
Just like the virus, impoverishment kills, and locking down the elderly might have been a drastic but fairer solution

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/crashing-the-economy-will-also-cost-lives-l9kz50dqb

 

[john eden]

Lol. The point isn't about "winning" an argument, though. The point is that, to me, overpopulation is self-evidently a big problem. Some people disagree, and maybe some of them frame their position as "The earth's ecosystem could sustain a bigger human population if there was a more equitable distribution of land and resources and less reliance on fossil fuels". It's a cogent position, regardless of whether it's "right" or not.

But others react with "You are a racist and obviously support eugenics", as demonstrated in the Zika thread.

I’ve addressed this in whichever thread you ot someone you were replying to posted the gates of Auschwitz.

 

[comelately]

I feel my 'controversial' position of 8 days ago still rings true. Unless you really, really, force them people in Britain aren't going to stay inside. And once you do that, how long for?

There will be no 6 month quarantine. It won't happen.

In America, they are basically already talking about how to bring people back to work.

The reason why Boris is talking about 12 weeks is that he knows suppression is a time limited strategy. After 12 weeks, we take it on the chin.

 

[baboon2004]

I feel my 'controversial' position of 8 days ago still rings true. Unless you really, really, force them people in Britain aren't going to stay inside. And once you do that, how long for?

There will be no 6 month quarantine. It won't happen.

In America, they are basically already talking about how to bring people back to work.

The reason why Boris is talking about 12 weeks is that he knows suppression is a time limited strategy. After 12 weeks, we take it on the chin.

Was it controversial? I agree, and I think issuing clear instructions is the only way to come near to ensuring that this doesn't spread like wildfire - millions of people don't give a shit about 'suggestions' (and after you've abandoned testing and tracing for a period, what else can you do but quarantine - no-one any more has any clue how widely spread this is). Of course without acting like authoritarian abusive pricks, which is where the problem will come in, and already has in France, for example.
But also, this isn't a single measure, has to go hand in hand with ensuring *everyone's* economic survival - the two are connected

Yep, the 12 weeks is as calculated as 'I'd rather be dead in a ditch' was. Cummings probably writing the script, or someone else we haven't heard of

 

[baboon2004]

Re the fact that we now know for sure it was Cummings who was willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people, does that change anything? I hope so, but I doubt it. This is like quack medicine as a national social experiment

 

[Mr. Tea]

No one said that Tea you funny thing

Have you lost the ability to read or something?

And expecting other countries to have universal systems of education and healthcare whilst maintaining international economic systems designed for exploitation is like shitting into someone else's mouth and trying to persuade them it's chocolate

 

[Mr. Tea]

I’ve addressed this in whichever thread you ot someone you were replying to posted the gates of Auschwitz.

Yeah, that was me. Strikes me as obvious that thinking of humans as a disease is the start of a pretty fucking dark trajectory whose end point is well known.

 

[comelately]

Re the fact that we now know for sure it was Cummings who was willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people, does that change anything? I hope so, but I doubt it. This is like quack medicine as a national social experiment

That's not quite what the Sunday Times article says. The article says that as soon as he realised it meant hundreds of thousands of deaths he did a 180.

Unless you have another source I am not aware of.

 

[pattycakes_]

Yeah, that was me

classic tea

Strikes me as obvious that thinking of humans as a disease is the start of a pretty fucking dark trajectory whose end point is well known.

or maybe just obviously true to anyone who gives a shit about the environment and has witnessed the world and it's natural habitats disintergrate at the hands of humanity, in their own relatively short lifetime? why does it always have to end up at hitler? observing humanity's violence to it's own planet doesn't instantly mean you're going out to whip up an army. and surely that would be only adding to the fuckedness of it all? spare us.

 

[IdleRich]

That's not quite what the Sunday Times article says. The article says that as soon as he realised it meant hundreds of thousands of deaths he did a 180.

They are calling it the Domoscene moment.

 

[Mr. Tea]

or maybe just obviously true to anyone who gives a shit about the environment and has witnessed the world and it's natural habitats disintergrate at the hands of humanity, in their own relatively short lifetime? why does it always have to end up at hitler? observing humanity's violence to it's own planet doesn't instantly mean you're going out to whip up an army. and surely that would be only adding to the fuckedness of it all? spare us.

National socialism didn't begin with Hitler saying "Hey, I've had a wizard idea. Let's start the biggest war ever and kill tens of millions of people!" and the German populace being all like "K then". It evolved from a loose-knit 'Volkisch' back-to-the-land movement that started in the late 19th century and was primarily focused on the mystical and ecological.

 

[Mr. Tea]

And yes, of course we're living through a global ecological catastrophe, but I don't see that sort of smug, nihilistic misanthropy helping at all. If anything, that's an argument for carrying on as normal and letting "nature" take care of the rest.

If we're serious about averting the worst of it then we need to encourage love for humanity, not contempt.