Albums of the year 2012

linebaugh

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The stuff I find redeeming from the bunch is crate-digging, encyclopedic references to rock n pop's history (in a way only the internet can provide). Miserable Chillers a strong candidate for such honors. But the bland surf rock revival is just lowest common denominator
Im sure he's fine but I'm so jaded that if you look like this I just cant do it.
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mvuent

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of course you have to wonder if this thread only exists 'cos we're all old after too many years of dissensus posting - but the new wave of younger american recruits don't seem to like music at all - they prefer to listen to deleuze podcasts while playing metal gear solid
i've been thinking for a while that being really intensely into music (as in, prioritizing it over all other media) seems kind of outmoded. the Kids' energy and excitement feels like it's a lot more centered around video games and the surrounding culture. (or, yeah, even around theory in some cases.) that's my intuitive reading of the pulse. obviously on some level it's ridiculous to say, since they're both an ingrained part of people's lives, like saying food is more popular than shelter. but i honestly think it's true.

when i really became convinced was with the travis scott fortnite concert. how people were losing their shit, utterly amazed, but it had everything to do with the visuals and nothing at all to do with the songs. i don't think they even modified the original audio in any way? so the music was very perfunctory. if i were a creative, adventurous little kid experiencing that, i'd start wanting to be a video game animator and wouldn't give a thought to music.

kind of like how teens used to be really into modifying their cars. (or so i hear from my dad lol.) it's still obviously a subculture that exists, around a topic that everyone engages with in some way or another. but obsessive interest in that is no longer a cultural force. you have to assume that there are forums around that hobby, full of boomers speculating as to why they're not getting many new recruits.
 
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linebaugh

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i've been thinking for a while that being really intensely into music (as in, prioritizing it over all other media) seems kind of outmoded. the Kids' energy and excitement feels like it's a lot more centered around video games and the surrounding culture. (or, yeah, even around theory in some cases.) that's my intuitive reading of the pulse. obviously on some level it's ridiculous to say, since they're both an ingrained part of people's lives, like saying food is more popular than shelter. but i honestly think it's true.

when i really became convinced was with the travis scott fortnite concert. how people were losing their shit, utterly amazed, but it had everything to do with the visuals and nothing at all to do with the songs. i don't think they even modified the original audio in any way? so the music was very perfunctory. if i were a creative, adventurous little kid experiencing that, i'd start wanting to be a video game animator and wouldn't give a thought to music.

kind of like how teens used to be really into modifying the cars. (or so i hear from my dad lol.) it's still obviously a subculture that exists, around a topic that everyone engages with in some way or another. but obsessive interest in that is no longer a cultural force. you have to assume that there are forums around that hobby, full of boomers speculating as to why they're not getting many new recruits.
I was talking about that same effect recently with Travis Scott in mind. Its the artist in whole as a work of art, the surrounding culture as you said- the clothes, the videos, the carefully curated blogs, the self awareness of being a cultural agent. Working in schools I saw all the creative kids, who were into to Scott, Carti and Kanye, had multi faceted creative interests. When I was in highschool the most visible faction of creative kids were either in theater or did little more than obsessively play guitar and occasionally watch a Kubrick or Tarantino film. And if you were into the most popular rap artists you probably had little interests at all.
 

Leo

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I think there's more to it than that. It wasn't just a lack of options which drew you to certain music pre-internet.

there were always tons of options, but you had to spend hard-earned money to buy physical objects like vinyl and cassettes in order experience and enjoy those options. you had to weed through and be discerning, but that doesn't compare to having instant free access on youtube and spotify to nearly everything ever created.
 

Leo

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To complain about it dispassionately

and then in the end, you say fuck all this new foodie culture bullshit, I have a dozen favorite dishes that I've eaten for years and love, I'm just going to indulge there and actually enjoy my meal. comfort food.
 

luka

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and then in the end, you say fuck all this new foodie culture bullshit, I have a dozen favorite dishes that I've eaten for years and love, I'm just going to indulge there and actually enjoy my meal. comfort food.

I've solved the Food Question. You only need one meal it turns out.
 
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linebaugh

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Having professional stylists assigned by the record company? Yeah I think it's different.
Maybe Im not sure what you mean by stylists -theres a divergence between 'streetwear' and the high art/hip hop intermingling fashio,- but removed from context I think if I were to show a rando what the furious five were wearing in the 80's and what rappers are wearing now theyd say its a closer comparison than to what rappers were wearing just before this era in the aughts.
 

linebaugh

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And from what I understand the rappers themselves are very into the fashion, even if label assisted. It came with the 'rockstar' turn. These guys want to be wearing the clothes
 
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