padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Everything crumbles. Reality crumbles. Read it. As a document it's so powerful
it's still maybe only the event everyone in the world has to pay some kind of attention to

I don't say that in a chauvinistic sense, just a reality

China and Russia don't have real elections to pay attention to. people did start paying more attention to Brazil last time w/Bolsonaro.

I don't remember anyone paying attention to the Indian election last year, possibly in part bc it was a foregone conclusion.
 

luka

Well-known member
More importantly tea do you want to join the centre coalition of me and droid or are you an extremist? Chose now.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Well I dunno I remember them saying trump 10%
iirc 538's aggregate - which was more optimistic about his chances than many individual polls - had him around 30% in the final run-up

that takes into account the Electoral College etc

definitely still an upset, but not a crazy upset like if he had been a 10-1 underdog, which is what it has him at now

so yeah, the margin of error would have to be much, much larger - which again, sure, anything can happen, it' s just not likely to

he's also failed to gain back any ground since the debates, Hunter Biden, etc
 

luka

Well-known member
are you a fruitcake like Eden HMG Craner or are you a good liberal like me and my Irish brother pick a side.
 

sus

Moderator
Biden wins, 1 person in killed in a random altercation semi-related to the election; Sleepy Joe doesn't pack the courts, but loses his mind like Reagan somewhere circa year 3.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Well I dunno I remember them saying trump 10%
Perhaps very early on, when he was still regarded basically as a joke candidate. But:

...national polls were largely right in 2016. The final average by Real Clear Politics showed Clinton with a 3.2% advantage. She won the popular vote by 2.1%.


I think an error of 1% isn't disastrously wrong.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yeah of course it's not totally decided but I really want to hear an argument for why anyone thinks Trump is gonna win.
I think Craner said something like "I've got a hunch" and fine, doesn't need to defended, just a weird feeling in the tummy.
Luka's saying "it could happen" and yeah it could. But is there anything at all that makes you think it will.
HMGT predicting huge increase in majority and so on. Yeah you want that to happen but do you have any argument for thinking it's going to happen.
Maybe I am missing something, I would like to hear what though. Someone.
 

sus

Moderator
I'll go 25:1 with anyone who wants to take me on it that there's a peaceful transfer of power.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
US military doesn't get involved, less than 100 deaths, Biden takes an oath the scheduled date
the first two, yes

the last is probably still yes but I'm less confident of it, tho not enough to take odds

candidates have always been unwilling to drag things out past a certain point

but Trump has neither shame nor any sense of responsibility so he can see him trying to do that

he and his people previously made noise about trying to delay the election

it still probably comes off without a hitch but I think there's a reasonable chance of some kind of nonsense
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
How about a whole book Sus?
What are the options - Biden wins and chaos, Biden wins and not chaos, Trump wins and chaos (beyond his usual) and Trump wins and not chaos - is that everything?
 
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