Election 2020

[Mr. Tea]

There's definitely this strain of the Left. Not accusing anyone here of it but off top of my head, the most prominent examples would be Glen Greenwald, George Galloway, Max Blumenthal, Absolute fucking c***ts everyone of them, though I don't know if they're Left now in any meaningful way. The journey down this sewer starts with alt-left shit like The Canary, Chris Williamson et al. It's a spectrum but an unpleasant one. Any credible Left should shun these people like the fucking plague.

Yeah, I recall an article by Pilger from 2016 saying that Trump would be preferable to Clinton. Fucking wasteman.

 

[john eden]

 

[Mr. Tea]

I should probably clarify that I think it is marginally better that Biden has been elected. I honestly don't think his election will make anything more than a marginal difference to your average American citizen though. The fact that he can string a sentence together is not the panacea people seem to think it is. The same restaurant with the same menu under new management.

It's probably pretty good if you're a woman worried about Roe vs Wade being overturned.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Or black/Jewish/Muslim and not too keen on having a president who openly courts the support of neo-Nazis and pushes far-right conspiracy theories. And so on and so on.

Point being, there's a lot more to it than whether your rent has gone up or down relative to your wages.

 

[john eden]

Or black/Jewish/Muslim and not too keen on having a president who openly courts the support of neo-Nazis and pushes far-right conspiracy theories. And so on and son on.

Point being, there's a lot more to it than whether your rent has gone up or down relative to your wages.

Is it possible that these things are connected, I wonder? Perhaps they are both symptomatic of a system that fucks up the disadvantaged which is in terminal decline?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Is it possible that these things are connected, I wonder? Perhaps they are both symptomatic of a system that fucks up the disadvantaged which is in terminal decline?

Yeah of course. I'm in no way cheerleading for Biden, here. I'm saying that the difference between him and Trump is nonetheless quite substantial. I don't think Biden's win is going to make everything better, but it will hopefully stop things carrying on getting far worse.

I think the best case is that Biden has an uneventful one-term presidency and that the Democrats can agree on a candidate who can offer a genuinely progressive platform to run in 2024. I'm other going to hold my breath, but it's a possibility.

 

[blissblogger]

"the difference between him and Trump is nonetheless quite substantial"?? vast, yawning gulf more like. to be understating the immensity of it, the deliverance of it - even as the current occupant is enforcing a delusional counterfactual reality of his own dreaming on the country, while allowing coronavirus to rage completely unchecked across the country... I just don't get it. No, we won't be getting our wish list of progressive policies this time round, truth is they were never likely to be got, with this gerrymandered, gridlocked system. America is, I'd say, a good half-century, if not longer, from adopting standard Euro-style soft-socialism. A little less than half the country is INSANE. People should be dancing in the streets that someone who represents the non-insane portion of the country is going to be in charge soon, bringing sanity, stability, and competence. They WERE dancing in the streets at the weekend.

It was absolutely predictable, and yet even so, disheartening, to see all the people trotting out their carefully thought-out and worded insta-critiques ON THE VERY DAY the joyous news came through. Critiques outlining their policy differences with Biden and all the reasons to be disappointed in advance. Can you imagine being such a lefter-than-thou sourpuss to go to the trouble of doing that, in the midst of a worldwide party of celebration? I'm not even in any of the minority populations targeted by Trump and I felt like a boot had been lifted from across my windpipe.

 

[sufi]

as a non-american it's hard not to get sucked into the spectator sport of it all, especially as it really is a made for tv spectacular. but its a lot easier to make frivolous point scoring jibes when its all in the abstract, rather than right in your face.
I certainly felt a great feeling of relief as the results became clear, even despite not being in the US, like waking up without a feeling of impending doom for the first time in years

 

[sufi]

I think it's gonna be important to hang on to that positive feeling over the next few months which might get worse before they get batter

 

[sufi]

(In other 2020 election news, i received a letter from the council notifying us that the vote for a new allotment secretary is postponed til next year due to lockdown @luka )

 

[version]

I think Biden's a great improvement on Trump as he's unlikely to go out of his way to tear the country apart in service of his ego. That being said, I also think Trump's threat to the establishment has been overstated. He's dropped bombs, he's sold arms, he's cut taxes for the wealthy, he's stacked the courts. He's basically all the worst aspects of the GOP with the mask taken off and a monumental dose of narcissism.

I think if he were genuinely the revolution his supporters claimed him to be then he wouldn't have had people like Murdoch, Rumsfeld and Rove backing him.

 

[hmg]

I think my main problem with Biden (apart from that ghastly shit-eating grin and utter, utter mediocrity in every respect) is that he's unlikely to complete the system of German idealism in the way that Trump could.

 

[IdleRich]

I think Biden's a great improvement on Trump as he's unlikely to go out of his way to tear the country apart in service of his ego. That being said, I also think Trump's threat to the establishment has been overstated. He's dropped bombs, he's sold arms, he's cut taxes for the wealthy, he's stacked the courts. He's basically all the worst aspects of the GOP with the mask taken off and a monumental dose of narcissism.

I think if he were genuinely the revolution his supporters claimed him to be then he wouldn't have had people like Murdoch, Rumsfeld and Rove backing him.

I don't think he's revolutionary at all, he's just a cunt who the GOP are happy to see stomping around doing stupid things as long as he passes the odd tax cut and rescinds some environmental laws that stop them doing business.

 

[version]

I don't think he's revolutionary at all, he's just a cunt who the GOP are happy to see stomping around doing stupid things as long as he passes the odd tax cut and rescinds some environmental laws that stop them doing business.

Yeah, exactly. Yet the narrative persists that he's somehow this breath of fresh air who's drastically altered US foreign policy etc.

 

[hmg]

But he did do that and launched Space Force!
Open you heart to Trump, let the vital energies flow through you and reclaim your birthright!

 

[IdleRich]

He should have just built a space wall to keep out illegal aliens.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I think Biden's a great improvement on Trump as he's unlikely to go out of his way to tear the country apart in service of his ego. That being said, I also think Trump's threat to the establishment has been overstated. He's dropped bombs, he's sold arms, he's cut taxes for the wealthy, he's stacked the courts. He's basically all the worst aspects of the GOP with the mask taken off and a monumental dose of narcissism.

I think if he were genuinely the revolution his supporters claimed him to be then he wouldn't have had people like Murdoch, Rumsfeld and Rove backing him.

Well how does the saying go - "Behind every fascism there is a failed revolution" - something like that? Not that Trump is a fascist, because he doesn't have an ideology beyond self-aggrandisement and self-enrichment, but a lot of his supporters are clearly heading in that direction.

 

[hmg]

I suppose it could be argued, after megascale election fraud is confirmed this month, that Biden was blissfully and genuinely unaware. There is that in his favour, at least. He'll be able to retire with his honour intact.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I suppose it could be argued, after megascale election fraud is confirmed this month, that Biden was blissfully and genuinely unaware. There is that in his favour, at least. He'll be able to retire with his honour intact.

You really are prepared to die on this hill, as they say, aren't you?

 

[hmg]

You really are prepared to die on this hill, as they say, aren't you?

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