Election 2020

[constant escape]

I had a thought yesterday about suffering and class, and I think much of it boils down to this: If you're not fending off death, you're fending off depression. The former being the more material, but the latter can amount to living in an undead manner.

And some people can fend off depression to the extent that they don't feel it.

My point is that if you're fending off death, you likely don't have the time to feel depressed. Or at least the depression have in mind is more enabled by the free time to let that depression become more complex and total.

 

[luka]

I dunno why you're having such a hard time believing the possibility that the police told people not to come into work on the day of a massive protest.

Weird isn't it

 

[luka]

You're probably a little bit too far removed from the real world here Stan I think.

 

[IdleRich]

I dunno why you're having such a hard time believing the possibility that the police told people not to come into work on the day of a massive protest.

Me? I saw officials saying it on telly in advance, I know that happened.

 

[version]

Me? I saw officials saying it on telly in advance, I know that happened.

So what was the point of the weird comment about the Jews in response to the tweet about it?

 

[IdleRich]

This is brilliant... even after the riots Giuiliani was phoning Senators and Representatives trying to persuade them to object to certification... but what's good about it is that we know this because he phoned a (or more than one) wrong number and left a voicemail which has now been leaked. The guy is a complete clown.

 

[line b]

I think the material problem is being massively under stated. Most people cant afford an emergency. If you work at a gas station you absolutely are precarious and will be both sad and mad about it.

 

[IdleRich]

So what was the point of the weird comment about the Jews in response to the tweet about it?

I was just reminded of that old conspiracy so I threw it into the mix but it backfired in about three different ways so I wish I hadn't now.

 

[luka]

I think the material problem is being massively under stated. Most people cant afford an emergency. If you work at a gas station you absolutely are precarious and will be both sad and mad about it.

Stan has admitted he's too far removed from real life to talk about this so he's retracted his statements and apolisiges

 

[IdleRich]

But to be clear there were loads of official announcements about staying out of DC and no doubt unofficial ones too.

 

[constant escape]

You're probably a little bit too far removed from the real world here Stan I think.

Well I'm far from fending off death, unless you mean even the real world within the world where death is largely off the table. In that case, still probably right.

Its a facile model, sure. But could it be a step toward better understanding what we mean by suffering?

 

[line b]

Another note: I don't think rage comes from circumstances. I think rage comes from interpretation. Lots of people suffer. It's the narrative and the scapegoat that enrages folks, be they the Capitol protesters or anyone else. For better and worse.

wild. maybe the direction and expression of the rage is dependent on narrative and scapegoat but people that are suffering are overwhelmingly bitter and angry.

 

[IdleRich]

But to be clear there were loads of official announcements about staying out of DC and no doubt unofficial ones too.

Although there is a big difference between "Don't go to central DC cos there are gonna be riots" and "Don't go to your job in the Capitol building cos we're gonna let the rioters in wink wink" - the former clearly happened, the latter... well it would be interesting if it did.

 

[line b]

I dont think the cali boys even believe the lower class exists. they think its a myth sold to us by politicians and woke ad campaigns

 

[IdleRich]

wild. maybe the direction and expression of the rage is dependent on narrative and scapegoat but people that are suffering are overwhelmingly bitter and angry.

As they probably should be.

 

[sus]

I dont think the cali boys even believe the lower class exists. they think its a myth sold to us by politicians and woke ad campaigns

Sigh. Please tell us all about your extensive experience and knowledge of the lower class and how they suffer.

 

[constant escape]

How can that be understood by people like me in any other way than intensive sympathetic speculation? And how can such speculation be articulated without sounding academic here, or otherwise disregardably abstract?

 

[line b]

deflection. I said no such thing

 

[sus]

Nor did I say the lower class was a myth sold to us by woke ad campaigns. I said that rage comes from feeling wronged, which is a narrative interpretation of causation. That's all.

 

[luka]

I'm not convinced that's an adequate explanation of rage