Election 2020

[version]

What do you mean?

That there's going to be a renewed focus on terrorism with lots of things being seen through that lens, but it's going to be domestic rather than somewhere in the Middle-East.

 

[constant escape]

That there's going to be a renewed focus on terrorism and lots of things being seen throug that lens, but it's going to be domestic rather than somewhere in the Middle-East.

Yeah, and I think it will be an anti-nationalism cracking down on a nationalism, although perhaps done under this or that pretense of national security. The ideological body that is doing the cracking down would be a globalism, no? Or perhaps a postnationalism, if we want to cut out the word "globalism". Whatever it is, it can't merely be reduced to anti-nationalism.

 

[luka]

It could be nationalism but I don't understand why it has to be.

 

[Murphy]

@constant escape If you’re a multinational company, your overall aim is profit, non? Profit is the goal, efficiency is profit margins maximised, workers rights the same. Have you heard of zero hours contracts?

 

[luka]

I can see how an escalation of globalisation creates a nationalist pushback but not how that nationalist reaction displaces all other terrorist activity (white supremacist, Islamic, whatever)

 

[line b]

I really only see nationalism increasing if were to take that angle. Anti chinese sentiment ramping, climate catastrophe, potential economic turnover

 

[constant escape]

@constant escape If you’re a multinational company, your overall aim is profit, non? Profit is the goal, efficiency is profit margins maximised, workers rights the same. Have you heard of zero hours contracts?

Don't know what zero hours contracts are, but I wouldn;t disagree about profit. I tend to think of capitalism as being oriented around the perpetual optimization of profit, rates, rates of rates, rates of rates of rates, etc.

edit: terminologically and technically, I'm suboptimal here. I just mean theres always some metastatistic to optimize.

 

[constant escape]

I really only see nationalism increasing if were to take that angle. Anti chinese sentiment ramping, climate catastrophe, potential economic turnover

But I do think that nationalism, at least in US, dons a trump flag, pun intended. Because of how extreme that association is, I think many would-be nationalists will capitulate to Biden, who seems to be doing a good enough job of appealing to such forces.

 

[constant escape]

I can see how an escalation of globalisation creates a nationalist pushback but not how that nationalist reaction displaces all other terrorist activity (white supremacist, Islamic, whatever)

I don't think it will displace other terrorist impetuses, and I;m sorry if I gave that impression.

 

[luka]

I don't think it will displace other terrorist impetuses, and I;m sorry if I gave that impression.

Oh. Ok. Well that's ok. Globalism gets forced on us and in response we start bombing government buildings, energy infrastructure, troops and police, symbols of globalisation etc?

 

[version]

Did any of you read that thing I posted a while back about "The Silenced Majority" and whether America can still afford democracy?

 

[constant escape]

Oh. Ok. Well that's ok. Globalism gets forced on us and in response we start bombing government buildings, energy infrastructure, troops and police, symbols of globalisation etc?

Yes, but I;m on the side of the hypothetical totalitarian globalist forces. One of the few times I'm willing to just up and say it, take sides.

edit: Thats why I voted for Biden/Harris.

 

[luka]

You've got the t-shirt.

 

[luka]

Did any of you read that thing I posted a while back about "The Silenced Majority" and whether America can still afford democracy?

I like how version brings up all the latest articles and tells you which ones to read. I never read them but that doesn't mean I'm not appreciative of the effort.

 

[constant escape]

You've got the t-shirt.

The t-shirt, for the hypothetical totalitarian globalist forces? No, I haven't.

 

[RWY]

Yeah perhaps a defining aspect to the ideological globalism I have in mind is that it tends away from nationalism, and is thus more or less anti-nationalist.

Stan, have you read the Philip Bobbitt book Vimothy recommended to you months ago?

 

[constant escape]

No, I can't say I even remember that, I;m embarrassed to admit.

 

[line b]

But I do think that nationalism, at least in US, dons a trump flag, pun intended. Because of how extreme that association is, I think many would-be nationalists will capitulate to Biden, who seems to be doing a good enough job of appealing to such forces.

I could see biden offering a low camp nationalist angle in lieu of the trump take- that wasn't 'real america' and etc. Nationalism rises during historic tumult. also taking the marxist angle that base changes in economic production necessitates an ideological change in the superstructure- economic change here being tech/data and etc. becoming the primary economic activity, if that hasnt happened already.

 

[constant escape]

Yeah and thats what I've been curious about: what would an economy based on data look like? Would it even be based on data, or would data just factor in in some novel way?

 

[constant escape]

And yeah I see that tactic ("Thats not really America" which he did actually use, not sure if you were specifically referencing that) being effective, in terms of siphoning energy from the more moderate side of would-be nationalism.