@craner
On Iran-Contra, Gladio and so on, I brought them up in response to you saying you have a low tolerance for conspiracy stuff generally too.
Surely learning about that stuff has to shift your thinking on it somewhat? I get it if you mean people like Alex Jones and the kind of thing Luka sends to wind you up, but the stuff I'm talking about also falls under that banner and you've acknowledged some of it as historical fact.
The CIA running a mind control program sounds (and is) completely insane and yet they themselves confirmed it.
Ah, fair enough. I think we're in roughly the same boat then, I'm just more paranoid and have a higher tolerance for silliness.I specifically meant the 9/11 theories with that comment. I don't dismiss all conspiracy theories out of hand because there are conspiracies, obviously. I don't think it's that hard to make a judgement on the credibility gaps, unless you want it to be for some reason.
No, not really. It's certainly contributed to a cumulative skepticism when it comes to institutions and official narratives though.Has learning about MK Ultra made it impossible for you to trust anyone ever again?
This is a good point. They're very American, modern conspiracy theories. I don't think it's just down to the events themselves though. The nation was founded on resistance to an authority.Britain hasn’t had a Kennedy or 9/11 so they haven’t burrowed their way into our subconscious in the same way they would have if these events occurred domestically.
It doesnt even have to take a conspiratorial angle. We spent the decade prior openly bombing Iraq into famine. 5000 dead in new York really doest seem that implausible if were just looking at capacity-to-do-evilNo, not really. It's certainly contributed to a cumulative skepticism when it comes to institutions and official narratives though.
We spent the decade prior openly bombing Iraq into famine.
Im just saying we kill people! This is why I asked your beliefs as youre the most scrupulous historian here.What the fuck are you talking about?
I dont think it's even controversial to say that outside violence in Iraq prior to the war in 2003 and subsequent sanctions contributed to the famine state it was inWhat the fuck are you talking about?
It isnt necessarily a political subject. I just want to know youre relationship to the official story regarding 9/11, as much as that can be detached from whatever ideological veiws you haveThis forum used to be pretty stupid when it came to politics but I think it's getting worse.
i dont think you realise just how outre craners politics areI dont think it's even controversial to say that outside violence in Iraq prior to the war in 2003 and subsequent sanctions contributed to the famine state it was in
I hope you're not including me in that!This forum used to be pretty stupid when it came to politics but I think it's getting worse.
I dont think it's even controversial to say that outside violence in Iraq prior to the war in 2003 and subsequent sanctions contributed to the famine state it was in
He was saying that to me and I said I mostly agree with you. Get in the clown car.I hope you're not including me in that!
I hope you're not including me in that!
It isnt necessarily a political subject. I just want to know youre relationship to the official story regarding 9/11, as much as that can be detached from whatever ideological veiws you have