Status
Not open for further replies.

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
The success criterion for the trials was symptom attenuation, not mortality.
Then it's not comparable to real-world data on mortality reduction, is it?

Given that you'd be unlikely to get legal clearance for a medial trial that involves giving people either a drug or a placebo, and then deliberately infecting them with a virus that could kill them...
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
It's funny, seeing as how the tyrannical government apparently has the power to make the cringing lickspittles in the civil service say whatever they want them to say, and yet when the same civil service was tasked with producing predictions for how the UK's economy would fare after Brexit, it predicted net economic harm for every single type of deal that we could in principle have come to with the EU.
 

mixed_biscuits

_________________________
Then it's not comparable to real-world data on mortality reduction, is it?

Given that you'd be unlikely to get legal clearance for a medial trial that involves giving people either a drug or a placebo, and then deliberately infecting them with a virus that could kill them...
It's better than the real-world data as the comparison was more like for like.
 

mixed_biscuits

_________________________
Well which is it? You're claiming the data is being fudged, aren't you?

Unlike you, I've worked in the civil service. It doesn't just publish any old shit because of "political pressure".

It's clearly not an attempt to get at the unvarnished truth: what they've presented makes the vax seem more effective because they're deriving most of the unvaxxed stat from a period during which the virus is more dangerous than the period which contributes most to the vaxxed stat, without accounting for the factor that is most influential, seasonality; that's what Oxford is saying.
 

Leo

Well-known member
Gentlemen, it is time to duel. As no satisfaction has been reached between the mutual parties over 481 pages, honour decrees you choose your muskets at a suitable date and time, finishing this for good. En garde!

View attachment 8951
View attachment 8952

not sure who to bet on for this one. mixed is a wily one but tea has those quick finger reflexes from hours of jamming on his twangy bass riffs.

I guess there's always a chance they could both take one in the head. that would be a shame.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
It's clearly not an attempt to get at the unvarnished truth: what they've presented makes the vax seem more effective because they're deriving most of the unvaxxed stat from a period during which the virus is more dangerous than the period which contributes most to the vaxxed stat, without accounting for the factor that is most influential, seasonality; that's what Oxford is saying.
I've thought about this and you've got it exactly the wrong way around, because it was only from late spring onwards, during the most intensive phase of the vaccination campaign, that the more virulent delta variant was introduced to the UK and quickly became the dominant variant. So most of the deaths of vaccinated people will come from a period in which the disease was more inherently dangerous, not less.

In other words, if we apply what we might as well call the Biscuits Correction, the vaccination is even more effective at preventing death from covid-19 than the factor of 32 implied by the data.
 

Leo

Well-known member
500 pages by the weekend. then, like cinderella's coach at midnight, mixed and tea turn into pumpkins and this thread evaporates.

please.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
ONS probably under political pressure to make the vax look good.
A devastating argument, built up with surgical precision, piece by piece from irrefutable facts, to finally form the inescapable checkmate you have been threatening for so long.
After this, anyone who claims to not be wholly convinced by the entire lengthy and densely massive faeces you've painstakingly produced after months of serious and concentrated effort must simply be lying.


Edit: autocorrect somehow changed thesis to faeces, apologies for that
 

mixed_biscuits

_________________________
I've thought about this and you've got it exactly the wrong way around, because it was only from late spring onwards, during the most intensive phase of the vaccination campaign, that the more virulent delta variant was introduced to the UK and quickly became the dominant variant. So most of the deaths of vaccinated people will come from a period in which the disease was more inherently dangerous, not less.

In other words, if we apply what we might as well call the Biscuits Correction, the vaccination is even more effective at preventing death from covid-19 than the factor of 32 implied by the data.
Not what Oxford say; read the article
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top