Techniques for Influencing Time

[luka]

Where's he doing a poo?

 

[line b]

shameless self promotion

 

[luka]

TIME.

Time is murdering everyone

Time's illusion masks Eternity

The invincible mortal enemy

The inevitable moral ending

Terminating in massive explosion

Transforming it's material environment

Tricky! It mirrors Eternity!

Trick it. Make escape

Timequake! It's moving erratically!

Totally immersive manmade environment

Trapped in mad experiment

Time is malleable, Einstein

Tradeoff- immortality/material embodiment

Thrown into material existence

This Incarnation must end

True immanance manifest everywhere

Thoth initiates man's evolution

Tangled in mundane events

Threshold; Innocence meets Experience

 

[pattycakes_]

 

[Murphy]

rotational shifts, earlies 7am-7pm, nights vice-versa

catching up is impossible, if you fly west you assimilate quicker with time zones, east is tougher, same thing

every 3-ish months you have double-back at work and if you add ploughing in over-time, you lose sleep recovery

 

[HannahB]

I've still only seen Bring me the Head of Alfredo Garcia and The Getaway, but those seem to be of his marginal films.

Straw Dogs sums up SW UK sticks/ another one with Dennis Hopper and a violence choreography over a swimming pool maybe at night, can’t remember name of, was great

 

[line b]

That thing on Bergsonian time I've pulled up a few times really made an impression on me,

Reading Deluzes Cinema 2 and he pulls from this often, making the claim that the unreal images of european cinema are images of a past 'in general,' Frankenstein like formations of time from potentialities with no immediate recollection to place them too. Slightly different from (but not always) a psycho analytic dream-repression dynamic as it corresponds more generally to a characters loss of sensory motor function not always related to prior trauma, making time the primary 'actor' on screen in that the sequence of unreal events is our only insight into what they might signify.

 

[Murphy]

Essentially, what you were and are now listening to was and is the entire Tangerine Dream album 'Zeit' ...but playing backwards, cut into segments, rearranged in a random order, overlapping and over-layering one another with subtle effects of phasing and reverb. It is both Zeit and UnZeit.

 

[version]

" ... if one wants to control a process, the best way of doing so is to subordinate the present to what is (still) called the 'future', since in these conditions the 'future' will be completely predetermined and the present itself will cease opening onto an uncertain and contingent 'afterwards'."

-- Jean-François Lyotard, Time Today ​

Time Today on JSTOR

Jean-François Lyotard, Geoffrey Bennington, Rachel Bowlby, Time Today, Oxford Literary Review, Vol. 11, No. 1/2, Philosophical Encounters (1989), pp. 3-20

www.jstor.org

 

[luka]

you know we dont have access to jstor stop showing off

 

[luka]

 

[version]

you know we dont have access to jstor stop showing off

You can make an account for free, you dullard.

 

[version]

Yeah, saw this then looked it up and found it on JSTOR.

 

[version]

" ... if one wants to control a process, the best way of doing so is to subordinate the present to what is (still) called the 'future', since in these conditions the 'future' will be completely predetermined and the present itself will cease opening onto an uncertain and contingent 'afterwards'."

-- Jean-François Lyotard, Time Today ​

Time Today on JSTOR

Jean-François Lyotard, Geoffrey Bennington, Rachel Bowlby, Time Today, Oxford Literary Review, Vol. 11, No. 1/2, Philosophical Encounters (1989), pp. 3-20

www.jstor.org

Stan, read this. You'll love it.

"It is often thought that if the economic system is led to behave in this way, it is because it is guided by the thirst for profit. And indeed, the use of scientific technologies in industrial production allows an increase in the quantities of surplus-value by saving on labour-time. Yet it seems that the 'ultimate' motor of this movement is not essentially of the order of human desire: it consists rather in the process of neg-entropy which appears to 'work' the cosmic area inhabited by the human race. One could go so far as to say that the desire for profit and wealth is no doubt nothing other than this process itself, inasmuch as it works upon the nervous centres of the human brain and is experienced directly by the human body."

@Clinamenic

 

[Clinamenic]

Stan, read this. You'll love it.

"It is often thought that if the economic system is led to behave in this way, it is because it is guided by the thirst for profit. And indeed, the use of scientific technologies in industrial production allows an increase in the quantities of surplus-value by saving on labour-time. Yet it seems that the 'ultimate' motor of this movement is not essentially of the order of human desire: it consists rather in the process of neg-entropy which appears to 'work' the cosmic area inhabited by the human race. One could go so far as to say that the desire for profit and wealth is no doubt nothing other than this process itself, inasmuch as it works upon the nervous centres of the human brain and is experienced directly by the human body."

@Clinamenic

You're right, totally up my alley.

Human desire can quite reasonably be considered an instrument of nature, even one that lacks central coordination. One difficulty in understanding the "agency" of these higher order systems, if we can even use the term agency, is this apparent lack of coordination that we take for granted on our own order of intelligent systems.

 

[Clinamenic]

And my working understanding of the M.O. of nature is twofold: to maximally advance the complexity of matter while ultimately abiding by thermal equilibrium. And it seems that, with some more intellectual work on our behalf, a more actionable and intuitive understanding of the humanities and other soft sciences may eventually be derivable from such a conceptual foundation, i.e. a politics of negentropy, a macroeconomics of negentropy, a psychology of negentropy, a portfolio theory of negentropy, etc.

 

[Clinamenic]

A proper, totalitarian homecoming for systems theory, fully grounded in hard science qua physics.

 

[Clinamenic]

And my working understanding of the M.O. of nature is twofold

To be clear, such an understanding is still part of the map, rather than assuming nature itself does have an agenda, beyond the provisional concerns of our intellectual pursuits.

 

[Clinamenic]

Although, its quite possible. If we have another few thousand years to advance our technology and our consciousness in the sort of feedback loop the two mutually form, its quite conceivable that we may be engineering universes or proto-universes of our own.

 

[Clinamenic]

" ... if one wants to control a process, the best way of doing so is to subordinate the present to what is (still) called the 'future', since in these conditions the 'future' will be completely predetermined and the present itself will cease opening onto an uncertain and contingent 'afterwards'."

-- Jean-François Lyotard, Time Today ​

Time Today on JSTOR

Jean-François Lyotard, Geoffrey Bennington, Rachel Bowlby, Time Today, Oxford Literary Review, Vol. 11, No. 1/2, Philosophical Encounters (1989), pp. 3-20

www.jstor.org

If I am ever in a position of political and/or mass media influence, this may be a technique I seek to employ with maximal transparency, arousing genuine existential faith rather than deceptively manipulating people, as the latter will eventually reap what it sows, i.e. creating your own demons is a liability timebomb.