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wektor

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thirdform said:
yeah thats why you need to go to speedcore parties. gabber proper has been commercialised since 96-97. But in the UK we call all hc techno gabba. Gabber and gabba are technically two different currents.
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yea sadly the legit tekno scene down there is boring in the musical sense, they've been doing doing funny breakcore/speedcore remixes of movie dialogues for about ten years now, with lucky exceptions such as
 
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luka said:
was the argument of the thread that poptimism is a lie because it retains the usual snobberies while making exceptions for a chosen coeterie of strong female protagonists? eg taylor swift, lorde
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Yeah pretty much. to be a real poptimist you have to be way more masculine, even lowkey homophobic perhaps.

For instance I don't think someone who likes Mary J Blige (big fan here) could in any way be considered a poptimist. Dave Godin said something that always stuck with me although it's less the case nowadays, but that in the era of record buying, black music (and especially black american soul music) had a much broader age range than white pop. And I think as a rule that explains why I have a bone to pick with poptimism and pop music as a whole. I'm 30 soon, I can't be valourising the teenage impulse with the shit I know now. It's embarrassing and disingenuous.
 
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incidentally that is also why many white men in this country (well, more so England specifically) have found sustinence in black American music. Because as a whole you either go indie or you go high art classical. There's really nothing in between. Rnb, jazz, rare groove, soul, funk etc etc all fulfill that whilst being popular but not pop music, compared to classical which requires a specific kind of emotional restraint. Otherwise there's not a lot of serious music in the post-war Anglo fandom.
 
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id argue that post-punk in Britain was responding to this tendancy in fact.

If you listen to a lot of continental post-punk it generally tends to be more jagged, more uninviting, quite industrial. same with Japanese stuff. really really out there.
 
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if the creedo of poptimism is to value developments in the pop world just as much as the avant-garde, or the experimental, or the subcultural, or to put them on an equal footing, then poptimism has failed because EDM was seen as a perversion of black derived house music by all journalists who propounded the poptimist worldview. But in fact by their analyses the most avant-garde developments were happening in this mongrel of electro disco tech funky house.

poptimism's main issue is that it is a reverse snobbery from the person who is aware of being subculturally identified. But the true poptimist cannot identify with a subcultural value set, be that a rocker, a punk, a gay disco queen, a hip hop head, etc.
 
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thirdform said:
if the creedo of poptimism is to value developments in the pop world just as much as the avant-garde, or the experimental, or the subcultural, or to put them on an equal footing, then poptimism has failed because EDM was seen as a perversion of black derived house music by all journalists who propounded the poptimist worldview. But in fact by their analyses the most avant-garde developments were happening in this mongrel of electro disco tech funky house.

poptimism's main issue is that it is a reverse snobbery from the person who is aware of being subculturally identified. But the true poptimist cannot identify with a subcultural value set, be that a rocker, a punk, a gay disco queen, a hip hop head, etc.
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@suspended @linebaugh
 
linebaugh

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thirdform said:
@Benny B @joe muggs

Fight! I've laid down the gauntlet. EDM is the real populist hardcore of the late 00s and early 2010s. This has been proven as objective fact by me in this thread. no cardinal sin.
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This is true as you see its the only scene that still has a true culture. Its the only genre that still gets the normal person trolling youtube looking for rare cuts/interesting edits, taking notes of travel dates and festivals, noting collaborations and stylistic convergences
 
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Hip Hop is more popular but its received like an offering from the court jester. Yay or Nay, on to the next trick. Theres no involvement like there is with EDM
 
Benny Bunter

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No idea why I'm being invoked here, I like pop music but I don't like just any old shit like EDM. Don't even know what this thread is supposed to be about.
 
Benny Bunter

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Do they even call it EDM still? Seems a bit old now that terminology, haven't seen it for years. What does EDM sound like these days?
 
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