Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Sorry boss but that that ain't it at all, and I'd thank you not to gloss it over like that, even if you mean well

Danny is 100% right, the anti-trans stuff is completely and totally abhorrent. There are many, many things that I can agree to disagree with someone on, or that we disagree about but isn't important enough to worry about. This is not one of those things. Not at all.

@Benny B and anyone who thinks like him don't think that people I love have the right to exist. That makes him the enemy of people I love. Therefore it makes him my enemy. There is no middle ground here. I don't respect his "opinions", just as he clearly doesn't respect mine or those of anyone who disagrees with him. I don't care about engaging those opinions. I only seek to limit the damage they can do. I don't actively wish physical or any other kind of harm on him or anyone else, but if he was hit and killed by a bus tomorrow I would shed exactly the amount of tears he would for the suffering of people I love: zero.

TERFs are a cancer on the face of the earth.
Yeah I think I just picked a bad time to make that point, given the viscerality of this issue, but overall its probably the thing I admire most about this board.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Yeah I think I just picked a bad time to make that point, given the viscerality of this issue, but overall its probably the thing I admire most about this board.

you shouldn't admire it. It's standard in any working to lower middle class composed pub. Just because you've been mollycoddled amongst art school types does not grant you an exemption in this regard. politics is conflict and war, after all.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
which again, is why terf discourse mirrors anti-semitism. Jews are now replaced with 'gender experts, trans lobby, trans activist lobby', etc.

In fact most of these people now talk about healthy parental values, for children, which needless to say is the rootless cosmopolitan trope recycled for the 21st century.
Not to evoke Godwin's Law but the world's first gender care clinic, the Institut Fur Sexualwissenschaft, was in fact destroyed by the Nazis, who presumably would have approved of the TERF take on gender. This famous picture is of Stormtroopers burning its books in the street:
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Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
you shouldn't admire it. It's standard in any working to lower middle class composed pub. Just because you've been mollycoddled amongst art school types does not grant you an exemption in this regard. politics is conflict and war, after all.
Well I'm certainly not here for the music, anyway.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Wow I never thought of myself as a cancer on the face of the earth before
I sincerely hope you take it as a chance to reflect on your views and realize that trans people exist, have the right to exist and are not a threat to cis women, that their existence is not the byproduct of some fantasy, social contagion or conspiracy, that they have the right to gender-affirming care, and that they have the same right to dignity, empathy, and common human decency as you or I or any other person - especially empathy, because their lives are often unfair or difficult beyond anything you or I are likely to experience.

If not? Well, I tried. If you ever do realize those things and have any questions or want to talk, I'd be happy to. Otherwise, I stick by everything I've said.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
And that's as much reconciliation as you're going to get, @Clinamenic
Haha actually I was just gonna say, this is a great example of why I like this place. You're obviously coming from a very impassioned and visceral place, whereas my sympathetic experience here is more limited (have a co-director for a DAO who is trans), which is why its easier for me to detach. Nonetheless, you're doing (I think) all you can to constructively communicate with folks who feel strongly otherwise.
 

Benny Bunter

Well-known member
No you're right, I'm clearly a cancerous nazi on the face the earth. No more questions, I'll just retreat to my bunker and blow my brains out, it's for the best.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Haha actually I was just gonna say, this is a great example of why I like this place. You're obviously coming from a very impassioned and visceral place, whereas my sympathetic experience here is more limited (have a co-director for a DAO who is trans), which is why its easier for me to detach. Nonetheless, you're doing (I think) all you can to constructively communicate with folks who feel strongly otherwise.
I just think the world needs more efforts like that in general, even if some of these disagreements involve a risk/danger disparity, IE one side has more at stake than the other. Obviously its easier for me to say that, being as comfortable as I am, but I don't think that makes it less true.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Also please don't blow your brains out @Benny B - and in any case I doubt a bunker would have the proper feng shui for such a send-off.

God Brits and Americans are so fucking pathetic. My parents can tell you stories of knives being pulled on them, bricks being chucked through their windows, police being called on them and mr climatic concern and mr bigboybennyboyballs are offended at a simple cancer insult?
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
God Brits and Americans are so fucking pathetic. My parents can tell you stories of knives being pulled on them, bricks being chucked through their windows, police being called on them and mr climatic concern and mr bigboybennyboyballs are offended at a simple cancer insult?
Love you too Third! XOXOXO
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
have fun with that. I possess absolutely no feelings for you whatsoever, neither positive nor negative.
In all seriousness though, this hurts because I just assumed I was universally beloved.

That said, what does it mean for a Bordigan to not hate a capitalist? Perhaps that you aren’t a proper Bordigan?
 
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