Judith Butler and the new identity politics?

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Why do women seem to be better at writing men than men are at writing women, or is this just a myth we've come to accept?
 
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sus said:
I think this is half right and half wrong.

I think people in general love labels and always have, identitarianist desires run deep.

But the internet (and before that, mass media) led to a buncha types/labels/stereotypes becoming common knowledge. Now everyone knows the types and everyone wants to weasel out of them; cue PoMo irony culture.

So today we have this simultaneous self-identification and weaseling out of identification happening at rapid pace.
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Right, but I think the internet turbocharges all that and results in this frenzy of immediate categorisation. See: sticking - core after everything and turning it into an 'aesthetic'.
 
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Why do women seem to be better at writing men than men are at writing women, or is this just a myth we've come to accept?
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It might be a myth with a core of truth, which is that some male writers (by no means all or even most of them) write female characters badly in an easily parodied (especially in an overly or unnecessarily sexualized) way - I'm sure we've all seen the "she breasted boobily" meme, right?

Which isn't to say all women writers intuitively understand the male psyche, of course.
 
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It might be a myth with a core of truth, which is that some male writers (by no means all or even most of them) write female characters badly in an easily parodied way - I'm sure we've all seen the "she breasted boobily" meme, right?

Which isn't to say all women writers intuitively understand the male psyche, of course.
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There's a subreddit called MenWritingWomen which exists to take the piss out of men's terrible descriptions of women, but some of the stuff quoted is parody itself or from the perspective of an unpleasant character and people seem to go along with it for the sake of the narrative or genuinely can't tell.

I'm sure there are plenty of women writing crap romance novels and YA who can't write men, but I doubt men really come into contact with it.
 
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Why do women seem to be better at writing men than men are at writing women, or is this just a myth we've come to accept?
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Probably in part because women have historically had to adapt to men more than vice-versa, which leads to psychologizing.
 
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I've definitely read some terrible descriptions of women in people like PKD. You get stuff like the author making a point of describing a woman's nipples for no particular reason.
 
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Mind you, there are some men doing their bit to fight back.

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Say what you will about Trump, his insults are equal-opportunity.

His epithets are one of the great art forms of our age. "Low energy Jeb" is up there with Homer's "gray-eyed Athena" in the all-time list.
 
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Say what you will about Trump, his insults are equal-opportunity.

His epithets are one of the great art forms of our age. "Low energy Jeb" is up there with Homer's "gray-eyed Athena" in the all-time list.
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Sleepy Joe!
 
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It's the most cooperative thread in recent memory, up there with "Dinner of the Day" but its subject is Judith Butler. I don't understand but I'm not complaining
 
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