mixed_biscuits

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If a person complains they're dying of thirst and would like some water, please, is the humane response:

A) here, have some water, or
B) you're obviously suffering from a terrible disease, which would be made still worse if we gave in to your no doubt heartfelt and earnest, but ultimately delusional, desires for this so-called 'water'

?
I don't know whether you've noticed but water is a human universal whereas believing that you are actually the opposite sex is very rare. Every now and then you get a child who compulsively eats bits of paper presumably because they want to eat bits of paper. Their answer to 'do you want to eat bits of paper?' is 'Yes'. If they went to the doctor and the doctor said 'what do you want?' they would say 'I want to eat bits of paper'. But, as far as I know, the doctor disregards what they most want to do and treats them using objective yardsticks.

When you go to the doctor with an ailment do you just bin the doctor's prescription if it disagrees with what you thought you needed before you stepped into the consulting room?
 

mixed_biscuits

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P.S. @Mr. Tea you do know that people can actually die from drinking too much water. This often happens when they're really thirsty. But the thing is people can suffer from excessive thirst because their body is not tracking their hydration correctly. So, even in that situation, someone's subjective assessment can be incorrect.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Here is a duck that thinks it's a dog. It acts like a dog, it doesn't seem to be straining at the leash to do ducky things, so one might surmise it thinks it's a dog as well. By analogy, do you think this video should be called 'Dog thinks it's a dog'?
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Dysphoria is the opposite of euphoria, does that sound like a positive spin to you? Incoherence is literally disorder. Pain is experienced as disorder. People don't think they ultimately should be in pain. If there were no problem, there would be no conversion therapies.

conversion therapy is ultimately a form of shaming though. Unscientific like most therapies and forced upon people. Of course, if people keep telling me I'm ugly and maladaptive and deformed and satan's abomination and that I should get therapy, sooner or later I will acquiesce. Not doing your argument favours here. Whether it is a positive spin is not the point here, merely that it is not a pathology.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Yes, the gender dysphoria diagnosis is the objective part. The self-report of being the other sex is purely subjective, which is why some are attempting to give this subjectivity unassailable objective status.

The other day you denied gender exists, which would by necessity mean that gender dysphoria diagnoses can't possibly be objective. I think you need to work on your mode of presentation, at the very least.
 

mixed_biscuits

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conversion therapy is ultimately a form of shaming though. Unscientific like most therapies and forced upon people. Of course, if people keep telling me I'm ugly and maladaptive and deformed and satan's abomination and that I should get therapy, sooner or later I will acquiesce. Not doing your argument favours here. Whether it is a positive spin is not the point here, merely that it is not a pathology.
By conversion therapy I mean any therapy that involves conversion, whether surgical or not. That the condition appears to prompt conversion (even the so-called allies believe this) suggests that it's a pathological state of affairs that requires some intervention.
 

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The other day you denied gender exists, which would by necessity mean that gender dysphoria diagnoses can't possibly be objective. I think you need to work on your mode of presentation, at the very least.
I'm referring to the diagnosis that other people use.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Along with expressing some feelings, they are making substantive claims but there is no evidence for these claims beyond their feelings. And that's why these claims have never been taken seriously by any society in recorded history.

Another scholastic trick. Of course no society in recorded history takes are modern gender claims seriously precisely because they are modern. It would be like talking about the ottoman empire taking queer culture seriously, even though no such thing existed.

Of course, sodomites existed in the ottoman empire, just like cross dressers and gender non-conforming people existed. Third gender people in India, etc.

But I wonder why you don't seem to have an issue with modern cis gay identification even though it is wholly modern and has no correlate in recorded history?

At best you can speak of homosexuality as a biological act, but not gay identity.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Another scholastic trick. Of course no society in recorded history takes are modern gender claims seriously precisely because they are modern. It would be like talking about the ottoman empire taking queer culture seriously, even though no such thing existed.

Of course, sodomites existed in the ottoman empire, just like cross dressers and gender non-conforming people existed. Third gender people in India, etc.

But I wonder why you don't seem to have an issue with modern cis gay identification even though it is wholly modern and has no correlate in recorded history?

At best you can speak of homosexuality as a biological act, but not gay identity.
None of those things you mention come close to the idea that a woman can actually be a man and vice versa. It may be modern but whereas other modern advances are based on new knowledge, this isn't. This is based on semantic confusion and/or a quasi-philosophical outlook. There is nothing that would have outright precluded our ancestors from making the same arguments.
 

jenks

thread death
Fucksake. The thread is about the war on all these people - that is real
There’s plenty of other threads where you can be some kind of cunt airing your prejudices and taking unwarranted pops at other posters.
I think the last few weeks has seen Dissensus at its worst (and I’ve been on here for a very long time.)
 
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