The Republican War on Transgender People, Drag Queens, and Queerness in General

[mixed_biscuits]

Fucksake. The thread is about the war on all these people - that is real
There’s plenty of other threads where you can be some kind of cunt airing your prejudices and taking unwarranted pops at other posters.
I think the last few weeks has seen Dissensus at its worst (and I’ve been on here for a very long time.)

You're a teacher, right? Aren't you supposed to call me 'despicable' at this juncture? Anyway, do you think the duck is a dog or a duck?

 

[thirdform]

None of those things you mention come close to the idea that a woman can actually be a man and vice versa. It may be modern but whereas other modern advances are based on new knowledge, this isn't. This is based on semantic confusion and/or a quasi-philosophical outlook. There is nothing that would have outright precluded our ancestors from making the same arguments.

Of course they do. A cross dresser is not really a stereotypical manly man precisely because he denies what makes himself a man, that is his masculine opposite in relation to the feminin woman.

Same with effeminate men, they are precisely defining themselves with reference to feminin archetypes. Homosexuality was precisely seen as a perversion by many societies for this reason. Especially the partner engaged in the bottom position, which cannot be accounted for by mere sexual intercourse alone, but must necessarily invoke the real abstraction of the gendered feminin. You want to make a claim which seems historically inadmissable to me, that gender is wholly a modern construct, and all societies before 2016 only based all their understandings on genetalia. If only it was that simple!

Remember: there is no such thing as a sexual relationship! meaning that man and woman only exist with recourse to their opposites.

 

[thirdform]

This is quite different to the claim that what one feels one needs is unassailably correct.

Like I said, many people just decided to bin the advice to get vaccinated because they didn't feel like it. Maybe there were legitimate reasons, but those reasons weren't carried out as part of some long consultancy process, simply based on how they felt, right or not.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Like I said, many people just decided to bin the advice to get vaccinated because they didn't feel like it. Maybe there were legitimate reasons, but those reasons weren't carried out as part of some long consultancy process, simply based on how they felt, right or not.

'Right or not': my point exactly. Not necessarily right.

 

[thirdform]

'Right or not': my point exactly. Not necessarily right.

no you thicko buffoon the point is you defended these peoples right to mess with their lives based on feelings because it accorded with your asinine hur dur we're so victorious and sexy politics. If you applied the same standards to covid as you do gender, you would have to campaign for forced vaccinations. With every victory comes the downfall. Stop making a tit out of yourself.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

no you thicko buffoon the point is you defended these peoples right to mess with their lives based on feelings because it accorded with your asinine hur dur we're so victorious and sexy politics. If you applied the same standards to covid as you do gender, you would have to campaign for forced vaccinations. With every victory comes the downfall. Stop making a tit out of yourself.

There are limits to argument by analogy and you've found them, especially when you resort to mischaracterisations.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Of course they do. A cross dresser is not really a manly man precisely because he denies what makes himself a man, that is his masculine opposite in relation to the feminin woman.

Same with effeminate men, they are precisely defining themselves with reference to feminin archetypes. Homosexuality was precisely seen as a perversion by many societies for this reason. You want to make a claim which seems historically inadmissable to me, that gender is wholly a modern construct, and all societies before 2016 only based all their understandings on genetalia. If only it was that simple!

Remember: there is no such thing as a sexual relationship! meaning that man and woman only exist with recourse to their opposites.

Mischaracterisations again and not addressing the point; try again

 

[thirdform]

There are limits to argument by analogy and you've found them, especially when you resort to mischaracterisations.

no mischaracterisation here, you defend feelings when you think its expedient, then negate them when you think its not. you want to be a materialist in nature but an idealist in society, it's a dilemma that the big massive jean-paul sartre could not save himself from. Have you figured out the riddle?

 

[thirdform]

Mischaracterisations again and not addressing the point; try again

Not a mischaracterisation, and there's no point to address, because you want to affirm gender when it is expedient (I.E: doctor diagnoses) and deny it when it suits your argument (I.E: self-identification can't possibly be right because only biological sex exists.) Don't take me for a fool please, and respond to my point like a grown up adult.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

no mischaracterisation here, you defend feelings when you think its expedient, then negate them when you think its not. you want to be a materialist in nature but an idealist in society, it's a dilemma that the big massive jean-paul sartre could not save himself from. Have you figured out the riddle?

You just made up that everyone refused the vaccine because of feelings only and then constructed an analogy based on that, not realising that for it to work you would end up agreeing with me about feelings not being wholly reliable LOL

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Not a mischaracterisation, and there's no point to address, because you want to affirm gender when it is expedient (I.E: doctor diagnoses) and deny it when it suits your argument (I.E: self-identification can't possibly be right because only biological sex exists.) Don't take me for a fool please, and respond to my point like a grown up adult.

1. Failure to grasp a distinction
2. Odd use of 'affirm'
3. Mischaracterisation of what I have said re self-identification
4. Grandstanding by taking umbrage
5. Overall, you're getting side-tracked by ad hominem rather than focusing on the issues

 

[thirdform]

You just made up that everyone refused the vaccine because of feelings only and then constructed an analogy based on that, not realising that for it to work you would end up agreeing with me about feelings not being wholly reliable LOL

Not quite. I showed that whilst you are fine with unreliable feelings with vaccinations, you become apoplectic with rage when they are to do with gender, because your response isn't scientific but political.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Not quite. I showed that whilst you are fine with unreliable feelings with vaccinations, you become apoplectic with rage when they are to do with gender, because your response isn't scientific but political.

Where am I apoplectic? Mischaracterisation.

You've made up two things there: the reason that ppl avoided vax and that I am 'fine' with it. Basically, double mischaracterisation.

Stop making things up and you'll get somewhere.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

@thirdform if you just posted videos of guinea pigs in awkward situations you would be doing the same thing that you're trying to do with wurds but at least it would be entertaining

 

[thirdform]

Where am I apoplectic? Mischaracterisation.

You've made up two things there: the reason that ppl avoided vax and that I am 'fine' with it. Basically, double mischaracterisation.

Stop making things up and you'll get somewhere.

There's no need for me to make anything up, your entire posting history is here for everyone to see. Just admit you've been caught out and we can all go to bed.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

There's no need for me to make anything up, your entire posting history is here for everyone to see. Just admit you've been caught out and we can all go to bed.

You're already asleep, mate

 

[thirdform]

You're already asleep, mate

Well, at least I can type in my sleep. Do you care to cultivate that skill, or will you let your pride get dented for 30 seconds?

 

[Mr. Tea]

no you thicko buffoon the point is you defended these peoples right to mess with their lives based on feelings because it accorded with your asinine hur dur we're so victorious and sexy politics. If you applied the same standards to covid as you do gender, you would have to campaign for forced vaccinations. With every victory comes the downfall. Stop making a tit out of yourself.

This is a very good point. You can't say doctors are infallible in some contexts and fallible (or worse) in others. Doctors were virtually unanimous in recommending social distancing, face masks and, when they became available, vaccines during the height of the pandemic; I have no idea what the split is among doctors regarding care for teens going through gender dysphoria, but they are certainly nothing like unanimously against it, not least because it's doctors who are providing that care when it's made available at all.

 

[jenks]

You're a teacher, right? Aren't you supposed to call me 'despicable' at this juncture? Anyway, do you think the duck is a dog or a duck?

No, you have misunderstood me, I am not interested in what you have to say. What I’m saying is go create a thread where you want to argue the theoretical toss - go be a cunt elsewhere - and leave this thread for highlighting the shitty lived experience of a whole bunch of people who are being victimised by a whole range of people

 

[subvert47]

The worst thing about this topic is everyone thinks their opinion is as valid, or in some sad cases more valid than people who actually deal with and live with the issues. Can we imagine a thread about black music where many long time posters start to say "those fucking blacks eh, can't help themselves, they'lll always be crims'. That's the last few pages of this thread pretty much.

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