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When we say "myth" it's hard to know how much reality grounds it. I think that scene exists for people with extreme social stamina. They go out at 6pm and are okay coming back at 4am. All night long they're with people, on a regular basis. It sounds rather exhausting. And I'm not sure how you'd get any work done, even though these are frequently artist- or writer-identifying types. Some of them (e.g. Gasda, Crumps, Kaitlin Phillips, Nathaniel Otting Weaver) make their social network the basis of their art, or their art itself.

They're on the packet mate
 

version

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When we say "myth" it's hard to know how much reality grounds it. I think that scene exists for people with extreme social stamina. They go out at 6pm and are okay coming back at 4am. All night long they're with people, on a regular basis. It sounds rather exhausting. And I'm not sure how you'd get any work done, even though these are frequently artist- or writer-identifying types. Some of them (e.g. Gasda, Crumps, Kaitlin Phillips, Nathaniel Otting Weaver) make their social network the basis of their art, or their art itself.

Yeah, was going to say. Surely the networking is the work.
 

shakahislop

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in after hours the point is that the dude is some normie cultural mafia from uptown who bumps into a girl in a diner, who gives him her number and invites him to come and see her downtown in soho that night. the whole thing is following him as he talks to various weird women (all of which want to sleep with him after chatting for about two minutes) and a couple of men. you're very much taken along with the normie protagonist exploring this downtown world.

frantic that i was on about the other day is similar in that the normie doctor american man ends up having to hang out with sexy french bohemian girls in their flats in paris.

as you say sus its hard split myths from reality. but the mythmaking is definitely there in these 70s to 90s US films. it feels very beautiful. whereas staying up all night taking coke at clubs sounds great and fun but doesn't sound beautiful at all.
 

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Well its not just clubs is it, afters are a normal part of uk drinking/social culture aren't they

Is it not in America?

Maybe i am missing something here its been a long day
 

version

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Verso had someone blog about Dimes Square being the New York avant-garde recently. I tried reading it, but faded out when it looked like they were going to give the nth overview of Moldbug.

 

shakahislop

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Djuana Barnes (at least the only one I've read, nightwood), is basically a part of this lineage. that book is about paris apparently, but she's an american writer from nyc and it's the earliest example of this theme i can think of
 

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After hours exists in the US, more of a drug driven plot not to say you can’t straight edge, just look at Shelter and stacks of blissful spots if you’ve the stamina

The few witnessed missed the absolute anarchy British people, particularly, are capable of bringing with powders and potions, not to say y’all can’t throw down getting blitzed etc but drinking and snorting through to a bleak Monday shiver? Not quite the same, mostly due to possible loss of work benefits or immigration or my bother’s gay clique confronting a bust

Even then, had weekends in Philadelphia, DC, Baltimore et al with local hosts who were nightmarishly hardcore, tissues up bleeding nostrils tripping not slept for 4 days and before Tuesday they’re offering you raw heroin on tick
 

line b

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I dont really remember it being about a 'scene' in this way. More like a small group of friends who are bohemiem and surely theres earlier examples than that right? But maybe Im wrong
 

luka

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it looked a bit silly to me i couldnt get into it. its still lying round the flat i guess
 

shakahislop

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I dont really remember it being about a 'scene' in this way. More like a small group of friends who are bohemiem and surely theres earlier examples than that right? But maybe Im wrong
I really can't remember. I think there's a lot of stuff in it about the night being a place of sex and mystery, and a lot of floating around Paris at night going into bars, finding lovers, random encounters. Which is a different thing to the scene myth / reality. It's about 20 years since I read it though
 

line b

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I really can't remember. I think there's a lot of stuff in it about the night being a place of sex and mystery, and a lot of floating around Paris at night going into bars, finding lovers, random encounters. Which is a different thing to the scene myth / reality. It's about 20 years since I read it though


Really all that I remember 'happening' is extended monologues roughly on the theme of transformation. Theres the girl and her two lovers and then theres what I thought to be the neat device where slowly the doctor character, kind of a mysticall all knowing clown figure, is revealed to be not exactly the narrator or main character but something in that zone. Then theres the great final scene where one of the characters gets on all fours and starts acting like a rabid dog
 
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line b

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But ya there is alot of going to cafes and then going to peoples dingy apartments once theyve made the initial connection. Id like to read it again, its very short. I wanted to read more of her but it doesnt seem like she wrote much and i think nightwood is maybe the only proper novel, but I could be wrong. Ts eliot said about her that "never has so much genioud been paired with so little talent' or something like that
 

line b

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it looked a bit silly to me i couldnt get into it. its still lying round the flat i guess
Lets try again. I lent my copy out and then it was lost but ive just ordered another one so youve got some time to prepare
 
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