The Republican War on Transgender People, Drag Queens, and Queerness in General

[padraig (u.s.)]

Just leave the kids alone, Pat. Having a Pedo POTUS and a fancy new flag has given you lot some right funny notions.

Is there not some local forum you could haunt with your vituperative advocacy for autogynephilic narcissism?
Perhaps you need Jesus or Allah in your life. Also, open your heart to Trump.

this is the last time I'm ever going to directly address you on this forum (I encourage everyone else to follow the same policy but that's up to yall individually) bc you're absolutely not worth it

you are the saddest creep I've ever seen on Dissensus, in a 15+ year history of sad creeps. your MAGA bootlicking is so ludicrously over the top that one would automatically take it as satire if you didn't know it was in fact, real. You're an, idk, 60-year old man or whatever posting deeply mediocre 4chan tween troll nonsense. American MAGA guys would find you an embarrassment. The My Pillow guy would tell you to tone it down and have some dignity. it's some truly sad shit, buddy, and I guess I just hope that one day something comes in to your life to make it less sad. best of luck.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

it's telling that transactivists have spent little time organising for their own spaces rather than demanding entry to women's ones

that's patently untrue and directly indicative, again, of a pretty staggering level of ignorance

Chicago alone has multiple trans-led spaces for trans and other queer people. The Brave Space Alliance is one example (incidentally, a great place to donate to, if one is so inclined). The trans and broader queer community is also organizing constantly to support people. Like, there are endless Kickstarters, benefits, etc to help someone who's currently unhoused or struggling with bills, or to help pay for gender-affirming care that isn't covered by insurance, or etc, or give to organizations that do those things.

That right there should tell you the issue - it's not enough. Crowdsourcing funding for basic human needs like shelter is a poor solution. The only thing it's better than is nothing. Trans people are both a small minority and among the most marginalized people in society, especially trans youth and people of color. You can't just magically spaces that can address all the needs of trans people. With what $?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

another safeguarding measure is the use of background checks on people who are applying for jobs in which they would work with children, in schools or wherever. because of pedophiles obviously. if they removed those background checks overnight, there wouldn't be a widespread wave of pedophiles getting into the school system. that doesn't mean that the safeguarding measure isn't extremely important

it's a different tradeoff. for someone applying for a job working children is virtually nothing, the cost of having a background check run is virtually nothing. trans women, otoh, if they've visibly transitioned in any way, are not physically safe in men's bathrooms, let alone men's prisons. since we've established that trans women have been using women's bathrooms since basically time immemorial without issue, and since again, numerous countries have had self-ID for a decade now (Argentina the first in 2012) without issue, what you're saying is that trans women should either be at serious risk of physical violence or totally unable to use public bathrooms is a lesser concern than some cis women being uncomfortable at the idea of a trans woman using the bathroom.

also, "transwoman" is a term only used by TERFs, as it implies trans women are some other totally separate category of being, and "transactivist" is a not a word at all. it's not even a neologism.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

But it's good to see you back, taking out all the garbage ❤️

I'm afraid it's too personal to me to post anything other than very occasionally. I mostly have to ignore it.

always, pal

I can't promise to be around very often but whenever I am the garbage is going out

stay strong, keep your chin up, this bullshit will largely pass eventually

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

ever wonder why there isn't any conflict between transmen and men, like there is between transwomen and women? if this is all about transphobia.

do you really not understand this? it's patriarchy

first, there is a very specific conflict between cis men and trans men (again, "transmen", not a word). tradbros bemoaning before/after pics of a trans man transitioning are common enough to be a Twitter trope. "she used to be so beautiful". in other words, she - misgendering, always - used to be an object of desire.

but, cis men aren't threatened by trans men because they're cis men are already at the top of the patriarchy heap and trans men transitioning doesn't do anything to change that.

the conflict between "women" (TERFs et al by no means == cis women in general) and trans women is patriarchy divide and conquer shit. the answer, again, is to link feminism and trans rights together - as indeed, most feminists do - to create a better world for both cis and trans women, not to ally with evangelical Christians to cut off feminism's nose to spite its face.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

the idea that because I haven't posted about something in some thread on a website that I must not care about it is mental

flip it around. why is this the thread, of all threads, that you choose as a hill to die on?

I know why I'm here. I have skin in the game. this directs people I care about directly, and it effects me less directly as a queer person. this struggle is intertwined with my life.

why are yall here? biscuit's weak "we live in a society/all citizens can take an interest" shit? like, sure, but where yall at on everything else? why this issue, obsessively? why nothing else as stringently?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Evidence?

You mean besides the fact that a dozen countries have had it for years without major issues, which surely TERFs would be frantically promoting if they existed?

well, the govt of Argentina did a study and found that there was no rise in violence against women in the first decade of self-ID and that there was exactly one (1) trans woman convicted of sexual assault between 2012, when it was instituted, and 2019 (in b4 someone says convictions hugely underreport actual instances of sexual assault: sure. you're still going from up one (1)).

And, when the UN's Independent Expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation (mouthful of a title, if specific) testified before Scottish parliament on the gender recognition bill that the UK parliament later vetoed, he said:

"Trans women are among the most vilified, disenfranchised, and stigmatized people on this planet,” Madrigal-Borloz said. “Through my work in dozens of countries I have witnessed shocking acts of violence to which they are subjected, including killings, torture, beatings, and systematic social exclusion from health, employment, housing, and education.

"United Nations human rights bodies that have spoken on the matter have constantly found that legal recognition of gender identity through self-identification is the most efficient and appropriate way to ensure the enjoyment of human rights, and I am yet to learn of a country in which this is not the case.”

“Throughout history, unsubstantiated myths falsely portraying marginalised groups of people as dangerous to others have been levelled to try to justify imposing arbitrary and deeply discriminatory restrictions on their human rights,” said Madrigal-Borloz.

“As recently as a few decades ago in the UK, and still today in many other countries around the world, such harmful myths falsely portrayed lesbian women and gay men as predatory – causing great harm. Today, we see such harmful narratives repackaged and redeployed against trans women.

“The only connection between obstacles to legal recognition for trans women and freedom of all women from gender and sexual-based violence is based on erroneous views of trans women as being predatory or, equally shockingly, as not existing at all,” he said.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

So there's that evidence, both by governments which have instituted self-ID and independent experts who have studied it

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

This a 'no true concerned-by-trans-policies fallacy'.

How did that notoriety come about, and in what circles? Of course it's discredited that way, it doesn't mean it's true

well, Mumsnet itself had to enact stricter moderation terms in 2018 in response to rampant transphobia

characterized by a former employee as'

"The first threads about trans people date from 2012, but looking at the board today, almost every conversation started is about trans people and trans rights. And, away from the site, people are starting to take notice. Last week, Mumsnet referred itself to the data commissioner after a whistleblower exposed information relating to transphobic posters on the site. The website has seemingly found itself at the heart of an unfolding culture war: one where trans people’s lives, safety and security are up for debate.


The anti-trans community on Mumsnet is something of an open secret. It has been present for years, and it appears that there has, for a while, been a lax approach to tackling this particular form of hate speech."

so yunno, there's that

or the fact that it's been widely touted as hotbed of transphobia for like 10 years because there's endless evidence that it is

so also that

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

..by 'they' I don't mean all trans people, just the loudest voices represented by activists, which doesn't account for the majority of trans people. im sure most just want to get on with their lives in safety and security

surely all the trans people I don't talk to don't want the same things as the ones I disagree with, which I know from not talking to them

like, what do you even say to that kind of nonsense

first off the entire idea of "trans activists" as uniquely shrill and demanding is a construct of TERF ideology dating back to the 70s

but also, have you ever talked to a trans person? like in real life, not in a creepy biscuits I'm lurking on trans forums for definitely not suspicious reasons way. bc your idea of them and the community in general is I mean, not based in any of reality.

also, like you say you're not a bigot, and yet you uniformly use language - transwomen, transmen, etc - that literally no one besides GC people use. you rehash their same talking points.

if you're in good faith, then maybe try talking to some trans people sometime and getting some insight into their lives. they're three-dimensional people with hopes and dreams and fears just like you and me, not cartoons dreamed up by Mary Daly and Kathleen Stock and whoever.

 

[maxi]

Once someone gets this deep in the cult theres no going back. Lost cause. Just smile politely and shuffle away.

 

[maxi]

always, pal

I can't promise to be around very often but whenever I am the garbage is going out

stay strong, keep your chin up, this bullshit will largely pass eventually

insane level of smugness

 

[maxi]

yunno, like, what do you even, like, say to that y'all

 

[maxi]

flip it around. why is this the thread, of all threads, that you choose as a hill to die on?

Leave the cliched twitterisms out of it. it's not a "hill to die on". I saw some deranged stupid shit presented as truth so felt like weighing in. didn't really notice that anywhere else. not that complicated.

I know why I'm here. I have skin in the game. this directs people I care about directly, and it effects me less directly as a queer person. this struggle is intertwined with my life.

it affects people I care about too but I don't bring that in as a manipulative tactic you self-righteous sentimental prat.

why are yall here? biscuit's weak "we live in a society/all citizens can take an interest" shit? like, sure, but where yall at on everything else? why this issue, obsessively? why nothing else as stringently?

I hate hypocrites. I hate bullies. I hate sanctimonious narcissists. I hate misogynists. I hate people who claim to be on the left but actually express ultra-regressive views.

And how would you know who I've met or not. Your emotionally manipulative smug american brand of cultist bullshit won't work on me mate.

Emotional blackmail, questioning motives, guilt by association, false parallels, straightforward lies. I see through it tho. Go back to the cult.

 

[droid]

He's torn you to shreds mate, give it a rest.

 

[maxi]

He's torn you to shreds mate, give it a rest.

another moron in the background. I've said everything I need to say for now don't worry!! it's all clear to see

out to all the lurkers who agree with me but don't wanna say cos of the dumb as fuck responses. I don't blame you

 

[droid]

Once someone gets this deep in the cult theres no going back. Lost cause. Just smile politely and shuffle away.

 

[hmg]

He's torn you to shreds mate, give it a rest.

Sorry, could you please remove your n95 mask, it's difficult to make out what you're saying

 

[CorpseysEvilTwin]

out to all the lurkers who agree with me but don't wanna say cos of the dumb as fuck responses. I don't blame you

Mate, you really don't wanna know who lurks this place because if you did you'd be mortified.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Sorry, could you please remove your n95 mask, it's difficult to make out what you're saying

You are literally the dullest and most repetitive living human.