Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Perhaps some incisive analysis from @CorpseysEvilTwin ?
Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
*makes unsupported claim that every government on earth has spontaneously and independently begun suppressing infection rates*
"It's uncontroversial!"
That's not true. I couldn't be arsed wading through three hundred graphs, most of which seemed to be about excess death rates, which I'm not even disputing. But your main claims here are two, and while I've already responded to them, I'll repeat myself for your benefit: that the most widespread strains of covid are no less virulent than those we encountered in 2020-21, and that most people are now effectively unvaccinated. In which case, the UK is back in exactly the same situation it was in March 2020, prior to the first lockdown. There is no reason, in this scenario, that we wouldn't see infection and death rates like we did the following month, when the death rate reached twice the seasonal average, and hospitals were completely overwhelmed with cases.
mixed_biscuits
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The most susceptible people have died already so even were it as virulent you would still have far fewer deaths. The salient excess deaths are of young and middle-aged people who were never particularly susceptible.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Point taken, and a very fair one at that.
mixed_biscuits
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Restoring more or less useless infection 'control' measures is by the by as people will catch it in their droves anyway (as demonstrated) and the only thing that will help them is being treated effectively. If they are given treatments that are effective then the control measures are otiose. Of course discussion of treatments was heavily suppressed in order to help the vaccine-makers make coin and the politicians wrap up everything in a nice bow.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Well I'm still alive, so frankly, who cares?
lol, it is the literal policy of most governments, and was enacted globally across most of 2022. Theres no conspiracy, it's just business as usual. What exactly do you think 'living with covid' means?
First they declared covid mild because of flawed data from South Africa, then they reduced quarantine periods and removed all mitigations because covid was mild, then they removed contact tracing and PCR testing, then they scaled back reporting, removed all special sick leave and compensations and stopped hospital testing, then they restricted vaccines and then, finally, they removed covid mitigations from hospitals and healthcare settings. Along the way they continued to deny that covid was airborne and invented the myth of immunity debt, actually encouraging people to catch covid, because catching viruses is now good for you.
Of course, this wasn't totally universal. New Zealand for example was the only Western country with an average percent excess mortality under 10% in 2022.
But once again, and without even looking at excess deaths. If Omicron is so mild, then why have 100,000 people died of covid in the UK since it arrived in Dec '21? There were 136,000 covid deaths then and there's now 231,000.
More pertinently, if the pandemic effectively ended when omicron came along, why have nearly half of all covid deaths happened since?
mixed_biscuits
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Because of the way they are counted, the lax criteria.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I don't know what data you're using, but if Worldometers.info can be regarded as reliable, then 3/4 of all UK deaths from covid occurred before late November 2021, when the first omicron case was recorded here. And obviously it would have taken some time for that variant to become dominant.
mixed_biscuits
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Please don't think that just because droid is wrong here, it means I'm on your "side."
mixed_biscuits
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You don't get to choose that, I'm afraid, unless you're particularly assiduous in being a biological NOT-gate, like Padraig.
mixed_biscuits
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This is total bullshit, but even if it was true, covid mitigations like clean air and masks would prevent a shit-ton of other diseases, we eliminated an entire strain of the flu in 20/21. Just sitting back and letting the vulnerable die off sounds a lot like:
hmg
Victory lap
mixed_biscuits
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What droid doesn't know is that the WHO only thinks it has at least moderately good evidence on 2 NPIs against flu, namely handwashing and masks and its conclusions were that neither worked at all.
It's quite striking how droid's thinking lies completely within the bounds of the picture presented to us by government PR right at the start of the pandemic. He was completely and endurably reprogrammed and no-one knows how to fix him.
It's quite striking how droid's thinking lies completely within the bounds of the picture presented to us by government PR right at the start of the pandemic. He was completely and endurably reprogrammed and no-one knows how to fix him.