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He's quite rare among modern footballers, being able to smack the ball really hard - and with both feet!
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When I saw he was going to Marseille I predicted to brother that he would be top scorer and then be picked up by PSG, Madrid or the like whereupon England would feel permitted to pick him. McLaren has scuppered the last bit.
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He doesn't get the 25m...and Man U should have got 70m+ in normal circumstances.
IdleRich
IdleRich
I know he doesn't, but the point is the "punishment" is a weird kinda fudge. Not banning him from the game but shuffling him off on loan to clubs in other countries. Then selling him for less than he's worth as a footballer. It's like they've decided he's in a kinda half-guilty state - Schrodinger's Woman-Beater - and then visited on him (and themselves really) half a chastisement.
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They can't punish him properly because in the eyes of the law he's innocent.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Well it's clearly not a matter of the law. Anyway, as things shake out Greenwood could well go on to have an amazing career, or at least effectively the same career he would have had. Marseille have done well it seems by taking a punt on a "damaged goods" type talent. United lose out but then any investment in a young player is a risk - they could easily get injured or lose focus or just turn out to be shit - so... I dunno, it just feels like sort of hypocrisy, shuffling him off and selling him for less than he's worth to show that they think it's bad to (allegedly) hit women - but not just releasing him from his contract cos obviously it's not so bad they don't want the millions.
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Maybe they're not legally entitled to fire him. The manner of his moving does not reflect judgement beyond the court of public opinion, which made him a poisoned chalice for British clubs and the low price is due to reduced competition.
I think United would have kept him had the women's team okayed it.
Murphy
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ten Hag gone by new year if not sooner, it’s inevitable, no ambiguity in immediate success or out with PL fickleness among boards
People fetishise the Dutch but their contribution is just a wee bit significant in world football, surely you have to give the manager 3 years minimum to know where you are when he’s run a squad as significant as Ajax for 5?
Eyes on Liverpool with Slot. He’ll have a year minimum, even miss CL qualification but ten Hag is up against a different head wind, even if Klopp’s legacy is a team who purr at their best
People fetishise the Dutch but their contribution is just a wee bit significant in world football, surely you have to give the manager 3 years minimum to know where you are when he’s run a squad as significant as Ajax for 5?
Eyes on Liverpool with Slot. He’ll have a year minimum, even miss CL qualification but ten Hag is up against a different head wind, even if Klopp’s legacy is a team who purr at their best
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Should've been kicked out a long time ago but Washy has a thing for baldies. United can't afford to become a low-scoring, flairless, mid-table team but that's what he promises, as well as a conveyor belt of mediocre players that he used to manage and to whom he somehow owes a favour. He also keeps falling out with players and then they have to go.
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Slot has already got Liverpool playing exciting football in a way different to Klopp's, whereas United's style is as well-defined as a poorly lit semolina model of a blobfish that has fallen off its stand and is growing some sort of wispy mould over it that obscures its outline.
Their attack would be absolutely dire were it not for Garnacho, and other players with vim and vigour - Pellistri (a winger who actually goes to the byline) and Mejbri - have been prematurely ejected.
Their attack would be absolutely dire were it not for Garnacho, and other players with vim and vigour - Pellistri (a winger who actually goes to the byline) and Mejbri - have been prematurely ejected.
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The one good thing about Ten Hag is that he's worked out how to beat City.
They say Ratcliffe was impressed by him bringing through Garnacho but that was a complete no-brainer as he was effective from the start.
They say Ratcliffe was impressed by him bringing through Garnacho but that was a complete no-brainer as he was effective from the start.
IdleRich
IdleRich
The malaise seems to run deeper than the manager, we know that Ten Hag can be a good, successful coach from his time at Ajax. Why then has he had the worst results for United in living memory?
With SAF he was allowed time to fail and finally succeed, short-termism means that is no longer the case.
Just replacing him with no strategy in place won't work.
With SAF he was allowed time to fail and finally succeed, short-termism means that is no longer the case.
Just replacing him with no strategy in place won't work.
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There's no sense of Ten Hag building anything in particular so, instead of giving him time, why not dole out that time to 3 or 4 managers until someone looks really good?
For me the worst thing is the goal drought. United are known for swashbuckling attacking play (get rid of Rashford) and quality strikers - they're losing the brand and the youngsters have no idea why they're this famous club.
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Two whole seasons of mediocrity, no progress in any department and all that time he's filling OT with more mates so it's difficult to get rid of him.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Don't get me wrong, TH has been shit. I don't think he'll come good. Though if you dole out a bit of time to three or four managers I doubt that any of them will come good either. I think you have to look more at why TH has been so shit despite succeeding elsewhere, why was Van Gaal shit, even why was Morinho shit? Work that out, then try and come up with a strategy to address that problem and then target a coach best suited to that strategy.
Cos what I don't get is why players who did well elsewhere such as Sancho suddenly stop delivering at United. We hardly saw him play did we?
Hmm, i'd prefer a wore such as myth or legacy rather than brand but I take your point.
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Man Utd should aim at being an entertaining team loitering around the top 5, bringing through exciting youngsters, signing charismatic foreigners, and winning the odd cup. Forget Ferguson, they should be aiming for Ron Atkinson. Man U fans were happy back then.
Ten Hag has had 120 games, so 4 managers would be 30 games each! I bet Emery could come in and get performances out of the current squad. Look at what he's done with the Villa shite...they got good immediately.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Don't worry he's got it figured out
After they got dicked on by Liverpool at the weekend with approximately zero shots on goal, a midfield that completely capitulated and let the scousers dominate to the extent that they could attack at will and bury the defence plus a complete lack of creativity on the rare occasions that the players who were supposed to make things happen got on the ball I thought.... "If only they had a better left back they would have won" - and it seems TH agrees.
Or get this, the issues run a bit deeper than buying yet another player and sticking him into a system that isn't working. Even if they had prime Maldini or Roberto Carlos at full back that's not the way to solve the problem.
After they got dicked on by Liverpool at the weekend with approximately zero shots on goal, a midfield that completely capitulated and let the scousers dominate to the extent that they could attack at will and bury the defence plus a complete lack of creativity on the rare occasions that the players who were supposed to make things happen got on the ball I thought.... "If only they had a better left back they would have won" - and it seems TH agrees.
Or get this, the issues run a bit deeper than buying yet another player and sticking him into a system that isn't working. Even if they had prime Maldini or Roberto Carlos at full back that's not the way to solve the problem.