Americanisation of the English Right

[shakahislop]

i've been watching some Dom Cum recently and he's a complete cunt who thinks he's brilliant and that everyone else is thick as shit but he's a thinker for sure grinding out his own perspectives. but he should stop going to america and getting infected, it drags him down

 

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In what way has Fox radicalised conservatives from their prior positions?

They're at least partly responsible for the conditioning of their viewership into greater levels of hysteria and the intensification of their worst qualities by pandering to them and exploiting their fears. The fact so many Republican voters went all in on Trump and various conspiracy theories is absolutely damning in that regard. These are people whose previous presidential candidates were McCain and Romney. Now they won't accept anything less than a complete lunatic. I think Fox bear a fair share of the responsibility for that.

 

[DLaurent]

GBnews is pretty much 'Rago'. I follow them on Twitter and they do my head in. It's amazing how many follow them hook line and sinker, but I think there's other things at play, we don't have the flyover state religious mentality for the most part. I think they'll set it up as much as they can though, as the 'special relationship' runs pretty deep.

 

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[Murphy]

The summer is still a rupture point, nothing’s changed

If anything, Reform is both strengthened and consolidated among voters with their position as a viable opposition and possible govt over a single issue - immigration - being justifiable

Farage was attempting to gerrymander east and west California caliphates, an opportunist, in other eras he would’ve been strung up by his bollocks but we’ve evolved as as a society (apparently)

 

[mixed_biscuits]

i've been watching some Dom Cum recently and he's a complete cunt who thinks he's brilliant and that everyone else is thick as shit but he's a thinker for sure grinding out his own perspectives. but he should stop going to america and getting infected, it drags him down

Cummings is influenced by the "rationalist" community, like @sus

 

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They're at least partly responsible for the conditioning of their viewership into greater levels of hysteria and the intensification of their worst qualities by pandering to them and exploiting their fears. The fact so many Republican voters went all in on Trump and various conspiracy theories is absolutely damning in that regard. These are people whose previous presidential candidates were McCain and Romney. Now they won't accept anything less than a complete lunatic. I think Fox bear a fair share of the responsibility for that.

You say all this but without any evidence or specifying much at all. I don't see how Trump would be called a lunatic; what are your criteria for lunacy?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Musk looking to throw Farage more dough than was spent on all the other parties put together. Expect reform a dual issue party at least, with Elon's free speech crusade.

 

[shakahislop]

Cummings is influenced by the "rationalist" community, like @sus

i think his biggest influence is the belief that he is absolutely brilliant and almost everyone else except a few people that he deems worthy is thick as shit. a good example of the kind of person that democracy thwarts.

but he's good to listen to in that he's a thinker and he's also seen UK politics first hand so comes at it from a non-theoretical perspective

actually one thing that's going on in the world of boring podcasts is quite new, all the tories from the last government are being interviewed. so rather than the postmortem taking place through memoires it's taking place through podcasts.

 

[Mr. Tea]

i've been watching some Dom Cum recently

OK, who else automatically assumed this was a niche porn genre?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

i think his biggest influence is the belief that he is absolutely brilliant and almost everyone else except a few people that he deems worthy is thick as shit. a good example of the kind of person that democracy thwarts.

but he's good to listen to in that he's a thinker and he's also seen UK politics first hand so comes at it from a non-theoretical perspective

actually one thing that's going on in the world of boring podcasts is quite new, all the tories from the last government are being interviewed. so rather than the postmortem taking place through memoires it's taking place through podcasts.

He had an interesting blog. Don't know if it's still going.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The claim that Fox has radicalised conservatives is unproveable as, even if one could detect a change in surveyed attitudes over time, one would have to show causality from Fox.

A general problem is showing that the media cause attitude change rather than reflect it. In the case of the many left-wing posters here, who apparently consume large amounts of right-wing media, I expect they would claim that it does neither!

 

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A general problem is showing that the media cause attitude change rather than reflect it.

It's obviously a feedback loop where one influences the other to some degree, but I do think the media can cause a change in attitude. If these channels weren't publishing clips like the above then I think their viewers wouldn't have as negative an opinion of some of the topics being covered.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

It's obviously a feedback loop where one influences the other to some degree, but I do think the media can cause a change in attitude. If these channels weren't publishing clips like the above then I think their viewers wouldn't have as negative an opinion of some of the topics being covered.

I think the reaction to Jaguar's ad didn't need any media prompting as it could spread through social media. The media will capitalise on existing interest.

Can the media try and fail to make things happen? Vast swathes of the media across the political spectrum tried to inflame passions over the acquittal of a police marksman a few weeks ago, but it didn't seem to catch with any of the public, so then they gave up on it. The media can also act in a very coordinated way and meet with diminishing returns e.g. Democrat election daily pushes.

I think their message has to chime with what people are feeling. By analogy, I organised events for a while and I could push an event til the cows come home but it wouldn't catch on unless there was a genuine interest; if there was interest all I needed was 10% of the marketing push and the thing would fly of its own accord.

Now, my caveat is longer term persuasion of those with whom a media provider has already chimed e.g. when people buy a paper they're then looking for guidance and sometimes it gets a bit silly e.g. Times 2 ran with 'Christmas parties: what to say, eat and wear', but I think if the media manipulates too hard then the connection is lost.

 

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There's feedback but not a feedback loop in that the message gets louder until the system is overwhelmed. The feedback from Keir Starmer switching on lights may well result in attenuation of the TalkTv signal on that.

 

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In Communist Romania the media had full spectrum coordination but its credibility was near zero.

 

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You can't take something like the response to the Jaguar ad in isolation because of what you're saying in your last paragraph. Yeah, the media don't need to say anything negative for people to find it irritating, but that irritation's partly down to their audience having been primed by years of hysterical coverage. They create their viewers to a certain extent. Someone gets pulled in due to agreeing on a particular issue or just being entertained, then, as they spend more time with it, they begin to be shaped by it and take on more of their viewpoints.

I'm not claiming the media can make absolutely anything they want stick 100% of the time or that it works on everybody, I'm claiming prolonged exposure to negative coverage can influence some people's opinions. This is what I was referring to with the Fox comment. They've spent decades conditioning their audience to be furious and unreasonable and it works. There are plenty of Americans who'll tell you how their parents started watching Fox and ended up at a point where they spend all day in front of it and can no longer hold a sensible conversation.

 

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'GB News has overtaken Sky News for the first time as viewers flocked to the broadcaster for its coverage of the farmers’ protests.'

 

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