Americanisation of the English Right

[Benny Bunter]

Well yeah theres a lot of daft stuff, but there's also a lot of stuff that really matters to people. We constantly get equality and diversity shoved down our throats on the telly, I should know cos I have to watch TV for my job

 

[versh]

Well yeah theres a lot of daft stuff, but there's also a lot of stuff that really matters to people. We constantly get equality and diversity shoved down our throats on the telly, I should know cos cos I have to watch TV for my job

Right, but what difference does it actually make other than being annoying when you see it on TV? Why is that a more pressing issue than the Tories disappearing millions in taxpayer's money during COVID or wages having stagnated for years? Which of those is genuinely hampering people's quality of life? You can turn off the telly and not watch Jaguar's new advert, you can't say the same for the cost of living.

 

[Benny Bunter]

That's something that actually matters though, so GB News and co. won't rock the boat too much there and will keep the focus on things like 'wokeness' and Jeremy Clarkson having to pay inheritance tax.

Fair point, there's not enough push back on that stuff on their part. But again, talk TV has Hitchens on at least. The BBC used to have him on all the time until about Syria, COVID times, then they they stopped inviting him, or anyone like him on as much.

The hawkishness of most of the media around Russia is really worrying to me.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Right, but what difference does it actually make other than being annoying when you see it on TV? Why is that a more pressing issue than the Tories disappearing millions in taxpayer's money during COVID or wages having stagnated for years? Which of those is genuinely hampering people's quality of life? You can turn off the telly and not watch Jaguar's new advert, you can't say the same for the cost of food and housing.

There's no real difference between the Tories and labour, that decline in people's qualify of life would have happened anyway probably, they're all the same. I'm not defending the Tories, or GB news et al particularly.

I do think it's worth pushing back against wokeness though. The UK left could learn some lessons there if they don't want to end up like the US.

 

[versh]

There's no real difference between the Tories and labour, that decline in people's qualify of life would have happened anyway probably, they're all the same. I'm not defending the Tories, or GB news et al particularly.

I do think it's worth pushing back against wokeness though. The UK left could learn some lessons there if they don't want to end up like the US.

I'm not accusing you of defending the Tories, I'm saying GB News and TalkTV are an intensification of some of the worst of what we already have posing as something necessary.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Things like the equality act and the whole cult of diversity have undeniably made huge changes to the country over the last 25 years or whatever, whatever you think of it, and the Tories have done nothing to push back against it

 

[Benny Bunter]

I'm not accusing you of defending the Tories, I'm saying GB News and TalkTV are an intensification of some of the worst of what we already have posing as something necessary.

Yeah they are, but it's inevitable. The left (and the Tories) haven't listened to a large part of the country that they're supposed to represent for years, so gB news is what you're gonna get, unfortunately

 

[Benny Bunter]

I'm a bit too pissed to carry this conversation now, sorry

 

[Benny Bunter]

Are you drinking version?

 

[versh]

Are you drinking version?

Yeah, water.

 

[Benny Bunter]

I've had 6 cans

 

[Benny Bunter]

I love version, if it wasn't for him this forum would be dead by now

 

[versh]

I've had 6 cans

... of water?

 

[Benny Bunter]

Cruzcampo

 

[versh]

I love version, if it wasn't for him this forum would be dead by now

@Corpsey, how does this make you feel?

 

[0bleak]

The UK left could learn some lessons there if they don't want to end up like the US.

You're already worse than us in some respects.

I mean, fuckin' hell - you still can't go to jail for something like this here:

Police face complaint over arrest of autistic Leeds teenager

The girl was detained in Leeds for a "homophobic public order offence", officers say.

www.bbc.com

Even if she or someone else was being intentionally homophobic, if you're putting people in jail for "thought crime", that's kind of scary.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

This is the kind of reporting these channels are offering, sensationalised crap about how Starmer's turned Britain into a "Nineteen Eighty-Four Socialist Nightmare".

You do realise that the hate speech stuff is a significant novelty? And yes, it does bring Britain closer to the Communist Eastern bloc practice. It's undeniable.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The press were already overwhelmingly right wing though. They had The Mail, The Telegraph, The Times, The Express, The Sun, The Spectator and Sky News long before GB News and TalkTV came along. These channels aren't offering an outlet to opinions which weren't being heard, they're a battering ram to drag politics further into the gutter and radicalise conservative voters the way Fox did in the US.

In what way has Fox radicalised conservatives from their prior positions?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

You're already worse than us in some respects.

I mean, fuckin' hell - you still can't go to jail for something like this here:

Police face complaint over arrest of autistic Leeds teenager

The girl was detained in Leeds for a "homophobic public order offence", officers say.

www.bbc.com

Even if she or someone else was being intentionally homophobic, if you're putting people in jail for "thought crime", that's kind of scary.

The left never understand that a law is only good if it works when the shoe is on the other foot too. Imagine if these speech laws were wielded by any of the many groups the left hates. They wouldn't accept them.

 

[shakahislop]

the uk needs some intellectual nationalism