Benny Bunter
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Omg I am in hell on the dissensus politics thread again, why why do I do it?
Americanisation of the English Right
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Benny Bunter
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Can't you all see what I'm saying? I don't like mike graham or reform or GB fucking tv you basic cunts
versh
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I can see what you're saying, but I don't think those channels line up with it. They aren't offering legitimate criticism of Labour policy. They just make stuff up and twist things to get their viewers frothing.
Mr. Tea
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And do they do this to Tory MPs, let alone Farage and his lot?
versh
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The only people I can picture giving Labour a proper hard time, like they deserve, is people further to the left than them. You're not going to get anything worth listening to from the right as what they offer's a mixture of fantasy, propaganda and terrible policy. They'll say Labour are all loonies who don't know the gender of a ham sandwich, which is banned by the way because you're not allowed to eat meat, and that we should cut taxes on the rich and deregulate everything because the free market's brilliant.
Benny Bunter
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They give loads of shit to the Tories. I agree that should give loads more to Reform, that's the weak point.
I'm not defending their political views though. I don't like their political views. I don't think they have any ideas about how to fix any of the country's problems. I'm saying it's an outlet. You have to have a free press. It's ugly but necessary.
Benny Bunter
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The more shit politicians of either side get from journalists the better imo. That's their job. Especially whoever's in government.
Benny Bunter
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Just fucking lay it on with a trowel, they deserve it
versh
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The press were already overwhelmingly right wing though. They had The Mail, The Telegraph, The Times, The Express, The Sun, The Spectator and Sky News long before GB News and TalkTV came along. These channels aren't offering an outlet to opinions which weren't being heard, they're a battering ram to drag politics further into the gutter and radicalise conservative voters the way Fox did in the US.
Mr. Tea
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Mainly the ones they consider "woke" or "soft on Europe", though, I bet.
versh
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It's just chaos and noise if they aren't attacking them in a serious manner and for things which matter. We've had a Labour government for around five months, hardly long enough to really do anything, and these pundits are talking as though the entire country's been reduced to rubble because a few wealthy landowners are being told to pay a bit of tax and some pensioners aren't getting an extra £300 they don't need. They aren't serious journalists and these aren't serious criticisms.
Benny Bunter
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I think the last Tory govt was terrible cos they didnt have a clue and followed the same line more or less as labour did since the blair gvt,without even knowing what they were doing or having any ideas of their own. Now it's even worse cos the real ideologues are in power again, equally incompetent but more dangerous because they have these big ideas of CHANGE.
Benny Bunter
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The less these idiots in gov have over our lives the better, whoever it is
Benny Bunter
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There is virtually no dissent on the big issues of the day in the uk parliament. I have to watch quite a lot of parliament debates because of my job, and I'm constantly struck by how little difference there is between the main parties - on COVID, on Ukraine, on the climate... All they argue about is small details or how well they're carrying out the program, but they're all singing from the same hymn sheet.
versh
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Agree with you there, and that's precisely why those channels exist. The illusion of opposition. They foment conflict around relatively pointless things like 'wokeness' in order to direct energy away from anything useful, i.e that might threaten the money. They've managed to get a bunch of people furious that people much richer than themselves may have to pay some tax rather than furious that there are people that much richer than themselves in the first place.
Benny Bunter
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I don't think you can just handwave away 'wokeness' as pointless, we've had wokeness up the nose for years now from the left and a lot of people are rightly sick of it.
Benny Bunter
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It's not just wokeness either, it's our fucking reckless, ignorant and hawkish foreign policy that we copy from the americans and the eu
versh
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They're sick of it because it's annoying. It doesn't actually make much material difference in their lives, they just seem to find people being irritating a more pressing matter than being able to afford food or energy. I still can't get my head around it, tbh. There are people who appear angrier at the thought of Meghan Markle's existence or Doctor Who being gay than they are at being robbed blind by their boss or landlord.
versh
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That's something that actually matters though, so GB News and co. won't rock the boat too much there and will keep the focus on things like 'wokeness' and Jeremy Clarkson having to pay inheritance tax.