The Republican War on Transgender People, Drag Queens, and Queerness in General
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mixed_biscuits
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Not everyone but certainly you. I remember you being very selective about who counts as legitimately trans, and I bet you can't give a trans-inclusive definition of womanhood either.
subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
Just a one-off post about the Supreme Court ruling, because it seems everyone is deliberately taking it the wrong way.
The Supreme Court has not ruled that trans women are men. All they've done is mark the legal homework.
As people involved in drafting the Equality Act have made clear, it was intended that trans women be included in the class of women and thus legally regarded and protected as women under the Equality Act, albeit with some exemptions. The case FWS vs Scottish ministers was brought to challenge that. FWS lost the case and their appeal was denied, so they took it to the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, which has now ruled differently:
That trans women are not protected as women under the Equality Act and therefore, only recognizing binary sex, should be treated legally as men under the Act. Not that trans women are men, but that they should be treated legally as men under this particular legislation. That the Act fails in its intention.
Whatever your opinion of that ruling or how it was arrived at – and I do have very strong opinions about that – the Supreme Court has essentially put a big red cross over parliament's homework and said try again.
But parliament is not going to try again. With its massive, however spurious, majority the Labour government could seek to change the law appropriately tomorrow. Instead, they're using the Supreme Court's ruling as cover for their own cowardice – and I think it is more cowardice than prejudice – claiming the ruling says something it doesn't: that trans women are not women full stop.
Keir Starmer is a weasel and a coward. I fucking despise Keir Starmer. But it is trans people – and gender non-conforming cis people too of course – who will have to pay the price of his cowardice.
Note to biscuits or whoever: I'll be ignoring any replies to this post
The Supreme Court has not ruled that trans women are men. All they've done is mark the legal homework.
As people involved in drafting the Equality Act have made clear, it was intended that trans women be included in the class of women and thus legally regarded and protected as women under the Equality Act, albeit with some exemptions. The case FWS vs Scottish ministers was brought to challenge that. FWS lost the case and their appeal was denied, so they took it to the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, which has now ruled differently:
That trans women are not protected as women under the Equality Act and therefore, only recognizing binary sex, should be treated legally as men under the Act. Not that trans women are men, but that they should be treated legally as men under this particular legislation. That the Act fails in its intention.
Whatever your opinion of that ruling or how it was arrived at – and I do have very strong opinions about that – the Supreme Court has essentially put a big red cross over parliament's homework and said try again.
But parliament is not going to try again. With its massive, however spurious, majority the Labour government could seek to change the law appropriately tomorrow. Instead, they're using the Supreme Court's ruling as cover for their own cowardice – and I think it is more cowardice than prejudice – claiming the ruling says something it doesn't: that trans women are not women full stop.
Keir Starmer is a weasel and a coward. I fucking despise Keir Starmer. But it is trans people – and gender non-conforming cis people too of course – who will have to pay the price of his cowardice.
Note to biscuits or whoever: I'll be ignoring any replies to this post
mixed_biscuits
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The ruling is leading to organisations changing their practices wholesale to align themselves with trans women = men, so I don't see much space left for them to be treated as women.
So, legally and practically trans women are men but philosophically also, as long as you cleave to the assumptions that make it impossible to provide a trans-inclusive definition of woman.
So, legally and practically trans women are men but philosophically also, as long as you cleave to the assumptions that make it impossible to provide a trans-inclusive definition of woman.
luka
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THe consensus opinion always seemed to be we respect ypure feeling of feeling like a woman but we cant let you BE a woman in all respects with no distinction in all circumstances and thats where we are now and it seems everyone is pretty much chill with that. It feels mystical.
Benny Bunter
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I'm wondering what will happen now with all the detransitioners, who went through clinics and had their bodies irrevocably altered through drugs or surgery, and later regretted it, now they have a firmer legal basis to claim damages. Will it all be just swept under the carpet?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
You're talking as if someone forced them into it. And I think they're pretty few in number.
bunnnnnn
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Do you not think these great numbers of detransitioners might have made themselves present by now?
The negative will always push forward, I wouldn't be so hasty to judge. It has to.
Even highly misogynistic cultures like bodybuilding, gymn bros, plastic surgery, nofap ideology, the various male archetypes, , (how should one put it?) are the death agony of masculinity. the attempt to treat the sexed body as a plastic slate to be moulded into a type of masculinity that is not in nature.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Which is ironic, given the proliferation of 'Palaeo' diets and workout regimes, which trade strongly on the idea of being natural.
subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
And now the EHRC has given its guidance:
Every trans person everywhere should be made to suffer every day lest some cis woman somewhere some time be made to feel uncomfortable.
EHRC: "We’re here to stand up for freedom, compassion and justice in our changing times."
Every trans person everywhere should be made to suffer every day lest some cis woman somewhere some time be made to feel uncomfortable.
EHRC: "We’re here to stand up for freedom, compassion and justice in our changing times."
mixed_biscuits
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You've got to be a better ally than this and come up with a trans-inclusive definition for woman; hand-wringing isn't going to get us anywhere.
mixed_biscuits
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There are doubtless more detransitioners than long-term trans people, If one defines the former as people who have identified at some time as the opposite sex.
Funny that the putative scarcity of detransitioners is proposed as grounds to ignore them given that that scarcity would make them super "marginalised" and worthy of becoming a progressive fetish object. You've got to be consistent to be a proper progressive.
Funny that the putative scarcity of detransitioners is proposed as grounds to ignore them given that that scarcity would make them super "marginalised" and worthy of becoming a progressive fetish object. You've got to be consistent to be a proper progressive.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
One-time (?) only return to remind everyone that TERF/GCs have been predicting this massive wave of detransitioners for 15+ years and it has always failed to materialize, bc it almost certainly doesn't exist. "Doubtless more detransitioners than long-term trans people" is a particularly insane claim that - besides being based on absolutely nothing - goes completely in the face of every single study ever done on gender-affirming care. The rate of regret for gender-affirming surgery is ~1%, far below rates for ie elective cosmetic surgery.
The think tanks - SEGM et al - that produce GC ideology can't refute any of that, so their strategy is to attack the studies themselves, methodology etc, and make handwave claims that they're just missing that aforementioned detransitioner wave, which is always somehow just over the horizon but never actually observable. That claim then filters down thru the Bindels, Joyces, etc to ppl like Benny and biscuits.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Having said that, detransitioners should be treated with respect and decency like anyone else, tho ppl like Chloe Cole who use it as a springboard to attack trans people and/or become mid RW grifters (usually it's both) deserve the opposition they create
Anyway, this is detransition wave claim is really only a thing in the UK where TERFism has a significant intellectual/media presence, unlike the US where they're extremely marginal and transphobia is a MAGA/evangelical/RW think tank (Heritage, American Principles, etc) thing.
Hope everyone has been well! (except the TERF/fash brigade, yall can eat shit forever
Anyway, this is detransition wave claim is really only a thing in the UK where TERFism has a significant intellectual/media presence, unlike the US where they're extremely marginal and transphobia is a MAGA/evangelical/RW think tank (Heritage, American Principles, etc) thing.
Hope everyone has been well! (except the TERF/fash brigade, yall can eat shit forever
other_life
bioconfused
i want to strangle anyone who has expressed a transphobic opinion in this thread or even soft-balled to any degree on bodily autonomy