luka

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It's the defining event in his life. It's the shadow which covers him in darkness. The cold he drinks to stave off. The fear which won't let him sleep and the nightmare he is unable to awake from.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
And estimates of the death toll of the campaigns against the Kurds start at 50,000 and go into the hundreds of thousands. Droid, you are literally a genocide denier at this point.
I am obliged to address this. Apologies to Barty et al, its my own fault for engaging.

The statement I quoted and highlighted is not a comprehensive review of Saddam's crimes. It is a summary of an Amnesty report specifically related to the last 10 years leading up to the invasions. The clue is here:

As for the last ten years, Amnesty reports from 1994...
For emphasis

As for the last ten years, Amnesty reports from 1994...
The Anfal campaign against the Kurds took place between 1986 and 1989, with 1988 being the peak year. The campaign against the Marsh Arabs, terrible as it was had peaked by 1993 with most of the marshes drained by then.

Your contention that the choice of invasion was between 'kilodeaths either way' is laughable propaganda that has been endlessly debunked. Amnesty and other HR orgs are clear that in the decade leading up to the invasion.

the numbers of killed are reported in the hundreds every year, not thousands, not hundreds of thousands, and not millions.--
So please, stick your head back up your arse where it usually resides you excerbale dolt.
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Well then why was your immediate response to my post describing Saddam as a perpetrator of genocides an apparent attempt to prove me wrong? Why some arbitrary cutoff date?
 

vimothy

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in principle support for the iraq war was not unreasonable, given some widely shared commitments. I think with hindsight, most people would agree it was not a success, but you could still argue that certain acts have an inherent moral quality irrespective of, or perhaps despite, the consequences (torture is never right, for e.g.).
 

luka

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This thread seems to have driven our prey away into the undergrowth rather than capturing it in a silken net/golden cage.
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
I wish I had these poeticisms to hand like you do

I've read enough literature to sink a dinghy and I still struggle to come up with an original turn of phrase or even a wittily cliched one
 

luka

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How sweet I roam'd from field to field
BY WILLIAM BLAKE

How sweet I roam'd from field to field,
And tasted all the summer's pride,
'Till I the prince of love beheld,
Who in the sunny beams did glide!

He shew'd me lilies for my hair,
And blushing roses for my brow;
He led me through his gardens fair,
Where all his golden pleasures grow.

With sweet May dews my wings were wet,
And Phoebus fir'd my vocal rage;
He caught me in his silken net,
And shut me in his golden cage.

He loves to sit and hear me sing,
Then, laughing, sports and plays with me;
Then stretches out my golden wing,
And mocks my loss of liberty
 

luka

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I wish I had these poeticisms to hand like you do

I've read enough literature to sink a dinghy and I still struggle to come up with an original turn of phrase or even a wittily cliched one
What about that shitting on the Nile story. That had a lot of poetry in it.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
Son of the old Moon-mountains African!
Chief of the Pyramid and Crocodile!
We call thee fruitful, and that very while
A desert fills our seeing's inward span:
Art thou so fruitful? or dost thou beguile...

Yon wanderer whilst his palsied dung thy waves defile
 
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luka

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I got a message from an old friend of Craners the other day complaining that he's blanking her and do I know if he's alright.
 

luka

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Im sure he's fine, or alive at any rate. Think he just took fright when he saw Iraq was being exhumed.
 
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