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i know a guy constantly getting hassle from the police, his response is "sue the hell out of them". its free on legal aid, you dont gotta go court or anything, just sign a few papers, solicitors do everything on your behalf. after about 5 years(!!!) he got 9 grand off the met for wrongful arrest, malicious prosecution and assault (yes, if they touch you its assault)

and if you get a good solicitor you can keep all the money you win.

did someone see the panorama on police timewasting the other day. that was quite enlightening.
 

mms

sometimes
i know a guy constantly getting hassle from the police, his response is "sue the hell out of them". its free on legal aid, you dont gotta go court or anything, just sign a few papers, solicitors do everything on your behalf. after about 5 years(!!!) he got 9 grand off the met for wrongful arrest, malicious prosecution and assault (yes, if they touch you its assault)

and if you get a good solicitor you can keep all the money you win.

did someone see the panorama on police timewasting the other day. that was quite enlightening.

when i was a teen skateboarder etc i used to get shit from cops all the time, followed around stopped and searched cos they blamed you for stuff that went on (anything, sometimes several disconnected things) we used to march up to the station to complain but they'd usually say come back the next day as the complaints place was shut, it was a sport for them, just a chance to expend some frustration.
police pick on people and make their lives alot worse, as they build resentment.
 

Blackdown

nexKeysound
I want to know what laws the police use for this kind of action. Someone like Liberty should ask the police for a formal statement as to what laws apply...
 

mms

sometimes
I want to know what laws the police use for this kind of action. Someone like Liberty should ask the police for a formal statement as to what laws apply...

yes it's definitely time this kind of representation happens as police are taking the piss and they need to back off.

there needs to be some kind of forum around this stuff, it's ok talking about gun crime etc, but things like this are an opportunity to organize a chance to allow people to talk about their relationship with the police.
 

SIZZLE

gasoline for haters
The Movement are responsible for My Diary, Thoughts For The Day, Community Outcast, It's Weighty, Chance Us, Do Me A Favour, Top 3 Selected, I'm Ghetts, Good Old Days, Runway, Red Light, Who's Mercs, Dealers, Keep On Movin, Stay Down The Road.....

You's a pair of big time haters.

No you're a hater for hating on my hating. Hater!

I like two of those tunes It's Weighty and Good Old Days, and mainly for the beats. You list those tunes like its self-evident that by them existing I should like them. And I did try to point out that I don't hate the movement, I just find them boring.

I wish they would do more of those garage-y old schooly kind of joints because those have a bit of personality and uniqueness to them. Red light, if its the tune I'm thinking of with scorcher talking about motorcycles is also a step in the right direction.

And, yeah, fuck the police. Anytime you give anyone power over people and guns and turn them loose on the streets things just start going wrong.
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
They remind me of the type of hiphop fans I most hate. Trapped on certain specific ideas of authenticity because they are miles from the places and things these people rap about, intolerant of any diversity of ideas or outlooks as not fitting into that scheme and lifting up the worst kind of achingly boring production and musical ideas in the process. A LOT of european and english kids fall for this because they are obsessed with New York. They should come here and chill in the hood a bit, it might broaden their minds.

i didnt understand this. youre saying theyre backpackers? cos that doesnt really make sense, even taking into account the fact that - going on what ive heard, which ill admit isnt all that much - they do seem to love rapping on new york hip hop beats much more than grime ones.
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
yes it's definitely time this kind of representation happens as police are taking the piss and they need to back off.

there needs to be some kind of forum around this stuff, it's ok talking about gun crime etc, but things like this are an opportunity to organize a chance to allow people to talk about their relationship with the police.

Could we have a separate thread for this please, under police and grime or something?
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
What aquaintances of mine did - when they found that places they were running were under heavier police intrusion than they thought necessary - was to have a plain clothes lawyer on site who would take note of everything that was happening, which gives surprising results. I'm sure that there are plenty of young eager lawyers around who would be happy to hang out at events for a few beers, in fact I may even be able to ask around and put people in contact with some if anyone's interested.

I would imagine that what we're witnessing is police intimidation of venues, but obviously I couldn't be sure of that.

Oh and I really like The Movement, Skinny Sort is one of the best tracks to have been released in the Uk for the past 5 years, don't give a fuck what genre it should fall under, even though Ghetto comes across as a bit of a prick.
 
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SIZZLE

gasoline for haters
Well, that's not exactly my definition of backpacker, depends how you mean the term I guess.

Backpackers to me are people who want to go back to 88 and the early nineties and are generally not into the contemporary Gangsta era. There are definite commonalities but it's not the word I'd use to describe what I'm talking about. To me backpackers have a pretty strong middle-class connotation as well which is not what I think of with the movement.

Anyway, like I said, its not that they haven't made great tracks, even tracks that I play, and I've seen Ghetto live and he's great and blah blah blah. I'm attacking certain specific aesthetics and choices that they make and because of their popularity affect the grime scene as a whole. In a way I feel the need to attack them BECAUSE they're talented and significant, otherwise they'd just be irrelevant and I wouldn't waste my time. Of course, as artists, if they want to do boring hiphop clone music that is their prerogative, but since they are talented and in an exciting and vital scene I would hope that they would see the sense of emphasizing their unique local identity and flavor.

There's one easy way to do this and it's just keep spitting on more Ruff Sqwad beats, which just keep getting better and better. They are actually a great example of a way to jock the heatmakers and ny hiphop and still do something great and original.

One thing I think, especially with someone like Scorcher is given time they will come into more of their own identity and that there's still a certain amount of insecurity there which leads to them reaching for less interesting more 'proven' hiphop formulas.
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
I listed several Ruff Sqwad produced movement tunes in that list. Apparently you don't like them. Nor do you like the ones produced by Scratcha or Wiley.

Weird.
 

SIZZLE

gasoline for haters
I listed several Ruff Sqwad produced movement tunes in that list. Apparently you don't like them. Nor do you like the ones produced by Scratcha or Wiley.

Weird.

Logan, don't be facetious. I responded to that post. And if you want to discuss, let's discuss, I wrote long posts and you're flinging back sarcastic one-liners and calling me a hater. Try harder.
 

28 Gun Nice Boy

Well-known member
The Movement

For me Wiley finsihed his burial of The Movement with his monologue at the end of 'Nightbus Dubplate':

"...about The Movement is like D-Block...why are you like D-Block? You're from England you batty!!! Who are these pricks meant to be really though? What is that about? What's this Biggie and 'Pac business? Like what is that???"

It's the disdain with which he says it - "Like what is that???". The Movement have their moments sure but I'm with Sizzle on the philosophy of aesthetics. I'd listen to more UK Hip Hop if I was into that... 'Back In A Big Way' by Ghetto with Nocturnal is arecent fave though.
 

continuum

smugpolice
I agree with what a lot of people are saying about The Movement but I think they serve a purpose as a catalyst for other people to react against which is good. I think also they are slowly realising their limitations by sticking to an established formula (particularly Ghetto) and I would like to see where they go. Ghetto in particualtar is also amazing to watch live - very physical with his performance. They help the uninitiated and the more 'road' type listener get into Grime by having these established reference points and fearsome attitude which certain listeners can connect with better than the more innovative producers and MCs which can only be a good thing. Overall I think they are essential to Grime's continued success.
 

SIZZLE

gasoline for haters
For me Wiley finsihed his burial of The Movement with his monologue at the end of 'Nightbus Dubplate':

"...about The Movement is like D-Block...why are you like D-Block? You're from England you batty!!! Who are these pricks meant to be really though? What is that about? What's this Biggie and 'Pac business? Like what is that???"

Yes. That's pretty much exactly it. Stop watching SMACK DVD.

And continuum, yes, that is a good point. I think the best thing that they bring to the table is that 'lyrical hiphop' type of style where they're really focused on writing and saying things which will appeal to lyrical hiphop fans more than other grime MCs who shout or do one line flows or whatever. I personally love one-line flows and shouting but a lot of people think they're dumb, which is understandable.
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
I like two of those tunes It's Weighty and Good Old Days, and mainly for the beats. You list those tunes like its self-evident that by them existing I should like them. And I did try to point out that I don't hate the movement, I just find them boring.

That was the only part of your rambling I bothered responding to. Seeing as you ignored the other Ruff Sqwad produced tracks, Scratcha produced tracks and Wiley produced tracks. Definitely Dipsey/D Block sounding music there.

I tend to only give sarcastic replies to poorly thought out, sweeping generalisations which have little substance.

I look forward to hearing Styles P vocal a track made using Wiley's plug ins in the near future.
 

SIZZLE

gasoline for haters
Eh, whatever. You are so not fun to talk to Logan, I remember again why I stopped responding to anything you write. There is actually a way to debate on the internet that isn't just one-upmanship and trading insults. Even when I think someone is blatantly wrong I respect their right to hold that opinion, and I'm not here to 'win the argument' or 'prove anyone wrong'. I like talking about these things because I find it a useful way of thinking about them, and I'm delighted if someone is willing to think through it while disagreeing with me, it usually ends up giving me some new insight on the topic, even if I don't agree. That has blatantly not been the case here.


Stick to the RWD forum, it suits your rhetorical style much better.
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
"They need to vocal more Ruff Sqwad beats"

"I like 2 of those tunes"

Make your mind up then. And I won't mock you for contradicting yourself and gassing.
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Someone who dislikes someone but has no rational reason to do so is a hater. Seeing as you think all their music sounds like dated east coast bullshit posturing rap, and they need to do more Ruff Sqwad productions, then you have no reason to dislike them because you are factually incorrect on both counts.

You hater. Embrace it man. Don't be ashamed of what you are.
 
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