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thats unfair nassem - i was trying to avoid that like hell - and the thread would have carried on if you'd answered this question which i asked in good time lol. noticed alot of the juke stuff seems to sample mizell brothers stuff - lots of rich late 70's fusion and rare groove...

Cocaine. This was total nonsense really, pretty nonense.

i've deleted your last post where you posted a mix in the grime news section. if you want to repost it on the mixes section please do. or alternatively - don't post, it's up to you.

i dunno it's difficult but don't let the people that like it put you off too much

this one reminds me of French and Saunders or Not the 9 oclock news i can't help finding it really silly <iframe src="" width="400" height="265" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="">LA Vampires feat. Matrix Metals - How Would U Know</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3843569">Not Not...

i didn't claim anything about you - or try and engage you in anything here, else i would have directed any points at you, which i have not done , you've got the wrong end of the stick, i can see how you might have done that but i've not directed anything at you sorry. Can we get on with the...

its a bit mad how salem have been hoisted into the view of 50 quid man or whatever, it could be that they're quickly victims of their own success - esp if they're playing live etc- it seems to make no sense apart from that they've kinda got the ultra cool thing covered ie the stories about...

thats true they are more radical - i think personally i like to dance more though:) it's kinda funny too really - its not like there is a big movement of people threading juke and footwork influences thru uk music, just a handful of tracks, but it's all good, uk dance music seems to be coming...

I'm very happy to speak to people who's opinion differs from mine but it's pointless trying to with someone that wilfully paraphrases and engages with something i've never said instead, or takes things totally personally and in the hysterical tone you do. I tried to navigate around you in this...

thats not reaally what we're doing and - you know you're hearing what we think about it - as the subjects being debated. i was wondering actually - what other music you like outside of juke as it goes?

yes re: authenticity - yes i was alluding to andrea and trying to do a pretty straight up juke track, not just in claims but also as an aesthetic attempt something often seems to always go a bit wrong when this happens like as i mentioned b12 and detroit - what happens when uk people try to do...

ok but its clearly influenced heavily by juke - the guy says so himself and you can hear it, it's dubstep speed and it takes elements of footwork - the bass and toms and the repeated vocal and shapes it into dubstep's template, you know i thought this was obvious, and pretty out in the open...

re: jungle feel - it's just the type of samples and the way they're used its not a hybrid juke juingle track - never said that, it's clearly straight up attempt at juke- it's just the samples automatically remind me of jungle rather than the way that the chicago guys use samples, to my ears...

oh forget it, i wish i'd just kept it simple with my first answer.

andy stott is british right the only difference between that track and a US footwork track is pretty much that there is a junglish kinda atmos in the music, plus the production is a bit smoother than some of the US stuff, a bit more technoey - it's pretty much an authentic take on footwork...

retarded.

I agree here, it's not watering down or being less creative to be influenced by something and put it into the framework you work in. And to call work them 'less creative' than someone who's pretty much done a straight up little bit bland juke track all be-it one that kinda by default makes...

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ookkayy - totally wrong end of stick picked up and remarks deleted

here's a nice example of mike dunn doing that whole looped voice thing that the juke boys refined <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value=""></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=""...