if New York can die so can London

[version]

"Oh, you're using your cell phone light in the dark at this party in the forest, well then I'm going to assume you're a cop and start yelling loudly about you acting like a cop instead of thinking that maybe you were trying to light the way for people in the middle of a dark forest at this party"

This is oddly specific. Did this happen to you?

 

[0bleak]

yes

 

[0bleak]

Something amusing at the same party was a woman _very_ aggressively slamming into me in the area where some of us were dancing as I guess some form of flirting? I mean, we're talking about almost taking running starts and using their hands to make the pushes even harder!
I don't know... but, I was thinking about how much of a shitstorm there would have been if I had been very aggressively slamming into people, or even just continuously bumping into dancers in a somewhat less aggressive manner.

 

[wektor]

The drift is that the territory is for this event under the control of some other tribe, and the vagueness of the warning is meant to convey how it feels to be an outsider in that situation i.e. one is aware that there are rules but not quite what the rules are exactly. Maybe this is a clever way to show the majority how minorities feel or maybe it's a clever way to tell minorities how they should be feeling during the 360 non-festival days, and that the dynamic is to be accepted in both cases.

now you sound like you would fit just right into the NYC world @sus I can see the next crumps blogpost being about biscuits complaining on the political correctness of the downtown club scene

 

[luka]

none of these people are real people and no real humans would ever go to events like that anyway so it doesnt really matter

 

[version]

I expect if you manage not to absent-mindedly throw a Hitler salute or loudly wonder whether slavery was all that bad really, you'll probably be fine.

Yeah, learn from Tea's mistakes.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Yeah, learn from Tea's mistakes.

Hey, I was inhabiting a role!

 

[sus]

I dunno the sentiment is pretty weird. what is it actually asking people to do.. be uncomfortable? lol it's not saying anything concrete ('be aware of how you move') but is more like a passive aggressive attempt to instil a sense of shame in their own customers. which I guess is part of the appeal for self-flagellating americans

This is how the entire economy works, weaponized shame, it's the same for Americans abroad. No concrete solutions, "yes we want your money and patronage, but you should also feel bad about yoruself"

 

[sus]

thinking about it I'd say that the emphasis on behaviour is a central feature of nyc club land at the moment, seems distinctive compared to previous eras (although my only first hand point of comparison is like non-london d&b nights so...)

Have you seen Wark's Ravers? Absolutely intolerable. The worst thing ever published.

 

[yyaldrin]

The most annoying Americans in Mexico City are black gays but you don't hear me complaining

why is that?

 

[wektor]

why is that?

it's the American part

 

[shakahislop]

Have you seen Wark's Ravers? Absolutely intolerable. The worst thing ever published.

i haven't read it but i listened to an hour of interview with them the other day. there was nothing egregious, it was a bit boring really.

a question for the dissensus massive, on the books side of things, is there much of a literature on the US side of 'raving' etc? obviously on the uk side we have the work of young upstart @blissblogger and so on. am sure there's loads on early house and techno but i keep hearing people talk about the equivalent of free parties in the US.

 

[wektor]

also, have to reiterate again how much I despise the intl american english you hear everywhere in the netherlands.
se london feels sublime in comparison, here everyone talks like they're on netflix, even worse, I am starting to adapt to it!

 

[Murphy]

Resist!

Death to America!

 

[yyaldrin]

also, have to reiterate again how much I despise the intl american english you hear everywhere in the netherlands.
se london feels sublime in comparison, here everyone talks like they're on netflix, even worse, I am starting to adapt to it!

netflix is now a bigger cultural phenomenom as say mr. bean, so it makes sense that people pick up the accent.

 

[sus]

obviously I don't think it's anything intrinsic or even deeply cultural I just think it's about the shifting matrices of self-consciousness as they intersect with identity

 

[Mr. Tea]

I know it's a meme that white men are super entitled but the meme balances things out, the straight white men end up very quiet and don't speak english in public and are embarrassed to be alive. I don't see any of the classic frat bro behavior that's normally attributed to them, at least among the americans visiting here

If you don't see any frat bro behaviour, it means you are the frat bro.

 

[version]

If you don't see any frat bro behaviour, it means you are the frat bro.

This is what it's like when The Dudes meet up.

 

[Mr. Tea]

This is what it's like when The Dudes meet up.

 

[version]

L to R: Mvuent, Gus, Linebaugh, Stan. Although, really, Linebaugh's all four.