rhythmelodics

[padraig (u.s.)]

you know I do love Eden Transmission tho. some of the only trance worth the name. proper drug music. that guy - RIP - a true unsung weird hero.

the pinnacle of that roots of Goa continuum that is the darker weirder cousin of the cosmic Balearic continuum.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

unimpeded access all the way from the balkans across central asia till you hit the wall of mountains that guard china

aka the steppe and surrounding environs

that's the history of most of Eurasia from the rise of the first horse peoples - 1000 BCEish or so - until gunpowder

why the boundaries of your soundworld coincide with the boundaries of where you can graze large herds of horses - in Europe, the plains of Hungary

endless cycles of nomads descending on cultivated lands, usually to raid/occasionally to conquer, driving cultural products before them

Balkans several centuries under the rule of the last horse people empire, the Ottomans

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

eclectic and confusing thread

congratulations, you have grokked the nature of harmelodics and by extension I'm sure rhythmelodics

 

[thirdform]

i stole the term off boomkat who stole it off some modern jazzcat I think.

When my new DAC and headphone cable comes I'll probably find some more.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

don't get me wrong it's a solid neologism

but any jazzbo, or anybody who originated it, clearly got it off Coleman

 

[luka]

here's a highest order cultural-musical rhythmelodic feedback for you

a record that must be experienced at least once before one shuffles off the coil

in an alternate, better reality this is the most famous U.S./African collaboration instead of fucking Graceland

graceland is an acheived sublime. this sounds like music from a car advert.

 

[thirdform]

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

this sounds like music from a car advert

why am I not surprised that you're a Paul Simon fan

well the dose makes the poison as they say, onward + upward I guess

 

[thirdform]

re the disco vs Autechre.

It's not a competition is it! I mean I get why @blissblogger was so ardent about defending hardcore against detroit techno purists in the UK but for a many of us (especially if we're minorities) they were both kinds of differing futurisms. Hardcore-detroit, not a competition for me.

jungle vs south london tech house, maybe that's a competition. my allegiance there is so blatantly obvious, otherwise i woudn't be on this forum.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

It's not a competition is it!

definitely not - like I said a person could like both. just a strong personal preference.

 

[CrowleyHead]

This is a lot of talk to ignore Don Cherry was the real genius in that team.

 

[thirdform]

This is a lot of talk to ignore Don Cherry was the real genius in that team.

i dunno man i gave brown rice another try after seeing it on one of our patron saint's lists but idk it just felt super goofy to me, not serious enough.

 

[luka]

brown rice is goofy. but that doesn't mean everything he ever did is worthless.

 

[vimothy]

funny you should mention don cherry, Ive been listening to this all morning

 

[CrowleyHead]

i dunno man i gave brown rice another try after seeing it on one of our patron saint's lists but idk it just felt super goofy to me, not serious enough.

Dizzy Gillespie wasn't as serious as Charlie Parker but at the end of the day one of those men actually made Bebop happen and it wasn't Bird.

 

[thirdform]

yeah i guess. I just don't think you can really feel bebop in the comfort of your living room in the same way you can an Art Blakey lp. the recording technologies and ways of transmission were totally different. the percussive elements are always muffled. which in its own way has its own lofi charm.

 

[CrowleyHead]

I opined that Ornette's innovations are actually him being credited for decisions Cherry made. You opined Don Cherry's too silly. I pointed out that how an artist carries themselves as a performer or persona doesn't have anything to do with the work. You're now bringing up Art Blakey for reasons of "Oh well those albums are better produced" which has nothing to do with the music being made in a compositional sense.

Out of curiosity, why did you default to 'Brown Rice' as the definitive Don Cherry record? Are you secretly Gilles Peterson?

 

[sadmanbarty]

 

[thirdform]

alright smart arse i was talking about the time barrier. hard bop is easier for me to engage with cos the grooves are more pronounced.

and who the fuck is gilles peterson anyway?

 

[thirdform]

probably some wasteman american who doesn't understand the slightest thing about groove and puts on a transatlantic accent to prove hes cultivated.