Are happy people boring?
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Corpsey
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Is the cult of the tortured artist a Romantic invention?
I mean Milton was miserable and I suppose there was a certain holy glamour to it but on the whole the suffering doesn't figure much in his poetry.
Seems to have come in with the foregrounding of subjectivity in the 19th century. The Sorrows of Young Werthe. The tragic early deaths of Shelley and Keats. Beethoven's deafness.
I mean Milton was miserable and I suppose there was a certain holy glamour to it but on the whole the suffering doesn't figure much in his poetry.
Seems to have come in with the foregrounding of subjectivity in the 19th century. The Sorrows of Young Werthe. The tragic early deaths of Shelley and Keats. Beethoven's deafness.
luka
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No.
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Yes
luka
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It wasn't.
shiels
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I did a bit of that. GCSE art project on 'the grotesque', baby vomiting with its head split open, HR giger etc. It's mostly just a juvenile edgelord need to shock no?
Simon silverdollarcircle
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Yeah of course this is true. But my point was rather that there's a myth around the tortured artist that is fairly common when the artist is male and white but is not so much for women and non white artist. That myth being-
-that there is something strangely admirable or noble about their tortured behaviour
-that their tortured behaviour somehow adds to the value of their art. (And at the extreme can elevate a mediocre artist to being seen by some as a genius. Hi Jim Morrison!)
Women and non white artists rarely get a pass like that.
IdleRich
IdleRich
I picked it up... he reckoned that it was one of his least valuable pieces, he had a Murukami on the wall too. I asked about some other stuff and he said "A minor artist".
I do remember that series form Koons, saw an interview with him where someone was asking what his kids thought about a massive photo of their dad sodomising an Italian porn star but I can't remember what he said.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I thought that was vimothy!
luka
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Take Li Bai for instance. A Chinese poet from the 8th century.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Bai
"His life has even taken on a legendary aspect, including tales of drunkenness, chivalry, and the well-known fable that Li drowned when he reached from his boat to grasp the moon's reflection in the river while drunk."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Bai
"His life has even taken on a legendary aspect, including tales of drunkenness, chivalry, and the well-known fable that Li drowned when he reached from his boat to grasp the moon's reflection in the river while drunk."
Simon silverdollarcircle
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She is an excellent counter example
yyaldrin
in je ogen waait de wind
In Pyatigorsk Lermontov enjoyed himself, feeding on his notoriety of a social misfit, his fame of a poet second only to Pushkin and his success with A Hero of Our Time. Meanwhile, in the same salons his Cadet school friend Nikolai Martynov, dressed as a native Circassian, wore a long sword, affected the manners of a romantic hero not unlike Lermontov's Grushnitsky character. Lermontov teased Martynov mercilessly until the latter couldn't stand it anymore. On July 25, 1841, Martynov challenged his offender to a duel.[20] The fight took place two days later at the foot of Mashuk mountain. Lermontov allegedly made it known that he was going to shoot into the air. Martynov was the first to shoot and he aimed straight into the heart, killing his opponent on the spot.[7] On July 30 Lermontov was buried, without military honours, thousands of people attending the ceremony.
Simon silverdollarcircle
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But I still don't wanna let the patriarchy off the hook with this one