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Doesn't sound very tortured to me!
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Doesn't sound very tortured to me!
luka
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The poet should even act his story with the very gestures of his personages. Given the same natural qualifications, he who feels the emotions to be described will be the most convincing; distress and anger, for instance, are portrayed most truthfully by one who is feeling them at the moment. Hence it is that poetry demands a man with a special gift for it, or else one with a touch of madness in him; the former can easily assume the required mood, and the latter may be actually beside himself with emotion.”
― Aristotle, Poetics
― Aristotle, Poetics
luka
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Fight the patriarchy by all means. I just think this archetype is far older and far more widespread than you're giving it credit for.
luka
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This is why I was referencing Li Bai, corpse. 'Bad' behaviour. Flouting of the convention. The license given to a particular members of a given society.
luka
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Lovers and madmen have such seething brains,
Such shaping fantasies, that apprehend
More than cool reason ever comprehends.
The lunatic, the lover, and the poet,
Are of imagination all compact.
One sees more devils than vast hell can hold,
That is, the madman; the lover, all as frantic,
Sees Helen’s beauty in a brow of Egypt:
The poet’s eye, in fine frenzy rolling,
Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;
And, as imagination bodies forth
The forms of things unknown, the poet’s pen
Turns them to shapes, and gives to airy nothing
A local habitation and a name.
Such tricks hath strong imagination,
That, if it would but apprehend some joy,
It comprehends some bringer of that joy;
Or in the night, imagining some fear,
How easy is a bush suppos’d a bear!
Such shaping fantasies, that apprehend
More than cool reason ever comprehends.
The lunatic, the lover, and the poet,
Are of imagination all compact.
One sees more devils than vast hell can hold,
That is, the madman; the lover, all as frantic,
Sees Helen’s beauty in a brow of Egypt:
The poet’s eye, in fine frenzy rolling,
Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;
And, as imagination bodies forth
The forms of things unknown, the poet’s pen
Turns them to shapes, and gives to airy nothing
A local habitation and a name.
Such tricks hath strong imagination,
That, if it would but apprehend some joy,
It comprehends some bringer of that joy;
Or in the night, imagining some fear,
How easy is a bush suppos’d a bear!
Mr. Tea
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Yeah he just sounds like a sozzled bellend tbh.
version
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Isn't that often what the 'tortured artist' amounts to when you strip away the work?
"What is it they want from a man that they didn't get from his work? What do they expect? What is there left of him when he's done his work? What's any artist, but the dregs of his work? The human shambles that follows it around. What's left of the man when the work's done but a shambles of apology?"
Simon silverdollarcircle
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Kingsley Amis pissing his trousers
Simon silverdollarcircle
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Tortured sportspeople is definitely an archetype too though of course.
May be everyone is fucked.
May be everyone is fucked.
luka
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Probably not. Probably often trauma (eg Paul Celan) or mental illness (eg Holderlien)
version
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It seems to be mostly prescription drugs these days. Same with actors and musicians. Xanax, Oxycodone etc.
luka
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Intoxication makes people feel creative. That's why the ancient Chinese poets were pissheads. The link between intoxication and artists is nothing to do with white males being mollycoddled. That's not to say they're not mollycoddled in many cases. It's just this is a basic intrinsic Art-Fact.