J. H. Prynne

[version]

@HMGovt

 

[Corpsey]

Don't like it. Don't trust it.

 

[version]

What's "it"?

 

[IdleRich]

I want to know what @thirdform @padraig (u.s.) @IdleRich @WashYourHands @mvuent and everyone else think about this stuff.

Which particular stuff?

 

[Corpsey]

Only joking sorta but I'm a simple soul that needs to be quickly captured by something to bother with it, as a general rule.

There are poets who I've read one poem by and thought wow I need to read some more stuff by them but I've never felt that with any of these extracts.

BUT i mean obviously it's my problem cos Luka and yourself like it I wouldn't say it's shit but I just can't get intrigued enough to understand the appeal.

 

[Corpsey]

This is assuming that you were talking about Prynne not some other subject that I didn't bother to read about lol

 

[Corpsey]

You've obviously got to reckon with how deeply reactionary I am about literature. And art, actually.

I'm suspicious of the Avant Garde. I'm suspicious it's a con.

 

[Corpsey]

Actually I was drunk and I thought I'd troll for the lolz

But many a true thing said when trolling

 

[version]

Which particular stuff?

Death of the author, what makes a valid interpretation, what do you make of Prynne.

 

[version]

I was actually gonna make a thread specifically on the Sontag essay, but as I was thinking about Prynne whilst reading it I decided to post it in here.

 

[mvuent]

But many a true thing said when trolling

give us some examples

 

[IdleRich]

I know nothing about Prynne.
You mean Death of the Author as in the Barthes idea that the work once out has escaped from the author and she/he can't tell you what it's about or what it means any more than someone else who has read it?
Bit of a cop out but sometimes that seems completely true and other times it seems utter nonsense.

 

[version]

I know nothing about Prynne.

What do you get from this - if anything?

So were intern attach herded for sound particle
did affix scan to ultramont, for no matter broke
could level cell tropic. Leading out proven sub
manage ever in fold, rift token will to redeem
or flagging, a massive glib finish. Bare face to
give, stringent paste. Does scatter grab on or bet
to ground one or two regulars, at root in blanket
score, attempt. Seldom bred, did level placement
promote up-rank incident recoil. Utter generic cell
fluid timbre; for it now, listen; to a cert play
to see bring placid at a join, promise gated al-
ready infamous. Rise alike, so do. Along the seam
cresting to burn out black my interim destruction.

 

[version]

And yeah, Barthes.

 

[IdleRich]

What do you get from this - if anything?

So were intern attach herded for sound particle
did affix scan to ultramont, for no matter broke
could level cell tropic. Leading out proven sub
manage ever in fold, rift token will to redeem
or flagging, a massive glib finish. Bare face to
give, stringent paste. Does scatter grab on or bet
to ground one or two regulars, at root in blanket
score, attempt. Seldom bred, did level placement
promote up-rank incident recoil. Utter generic cell
fluid timbre; for it now, listen; to a cert play
to see bring placid at a join, promise gated al-
ready infamous. Rise alike, so do. Along the seam
cresting to burn out black my interim destruction.

I'll have a crack at it tomorrow when I'm not drunk.

 

[constant escape]

Don't know anything about Prynne, haven't heard of him outside of Dissensus.

As for interpretation, in a way I see it as a metadialectic, one dialectic between readers looking to come to a conclusion, and another dialectic between readers going their own way and unconcerned with a single/optimal reading. In a way, the second isn't even dialectical, its schizo - but that does seem to be the ultimate alternative to dialectics. Sort of a nihilism that also amounts to an "everything is meaningful" approach. So a metadialectics between dialectics and non-dialectics, I guess.

Anyway, the metadialectic seems to be the top administrator/engine of revelation extraction from the text, the means by which the infinite knowledge can be unpacked. Different orders of infinity, perhaps, across texts. Or perhaps varying degrees of transparency of infinity, like this window into infinity/oblivion is less opaque than that one.

Wish I could try my hand at Prynne, seeing the energy circulating in this thread, but thats currently beyond my element. For now I'll just try to absorb what I can from luka and version's findings.

 

[version]

As for interpretation, in a way I see it as a metadialectic, one dialectic between readers looking to come to a conclusion, and another dialectic between readers going their own way and unconcerned with a single/optimal reading.

With Prynne specifically, I'm struggling to come up with any reading at all. Let alone an optimal one.

😂

 

[constant escape]

Are you trying to let go of that drive to come to a conclusion, or are you trying to come to a conclusion? Although I suppose it not always even clear.

 

[version]

I'm torn between the two. I feel there must be some thought and purpose behind what he does and so it must mean something, but I'm also trying to let go of it because that's what it pushes you to do.

 

[line b]

What do you get from this - if anything?

So were intern attach herded for sound particle
did affix scan to ultramont, for no matter broke
could level cell tropic. Leading out proven sub
manage ever in fold, rift token will to redeem
or flagging, a massive glib finish. Bare face to
give, stringent paste. Does scatter grab on or bet
to ground one or two regulars, at root in blanket
score, attempt. Seldom bred, did level placement
promote up-rank incident recoil. Utter generic cell
fluid timbre; for it now, listen; to a cert play
to see bring placid at a join, promise gated al-
ready infamous. Rise alike, so do. Along the seam
cresting to burn out black my interim destruction.

whats the title?