J. H. Prynne

Benny Bunter

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At first I was thinking that the reading experience of Prynne would be a bit similar to the cantos in that that you're having to look up words and references a lot, but it's not really is it? It seems to be on a much more etymological level with Prynne where you're looking up individual words and their various meanings rather than names and quotes and history like in Pound.
I suppose what they do have in common is that you're forced to go outside what's on the page to if you want to get anything out of it, but Prynne's stuff seems to have a more microscopic focus than anything else I've seen.

I'm a bit surprised I'm finding it so intriguing cos I'd normally be totally put off by scientific words and wouldn't have have associated them with anything poetical before
 
luka

luka

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You can get something out of Prynne without going outside it, quite a lot I reckon, as a thrill, but he does think, in his school masterly way, that you should learn something.
 
Benny Bunter

Benny Bunter

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Yeah, I've read empire of the sun, crash, high rise, concrete island and my favourite was the drowned world, but that was a long time go now and I've forgotten most of them by now. I think I ran aground on the atrocity exhibition. Relevant to prynne?
 
luka

luka

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I personally am in awe of the Language performance, it just tumbles out of him, however, I want to find a really good example to show someone and all I can find is cryptocurrencies shit
 
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luka

luka

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Stan, find me a good example of your prose to sell someone on the idea you're a language savant please
 
Clinamenic

Clinamenic

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Maybe something from the constant escape era? Maybe something about meditation? Tough to find anything unburdened by blockchain, science or poststructural academia.
 
Clinamenic

Clinamenic

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Clinamenic said:
There do seem to be more or less definite patterns that our universe physically demonstrates - calling them laws I think may be epistemically misguided - but my questions are often geared toward how we are perceptually limited in our apprehension of these patterns, such as how the visible spectrum is but a small band on an exponentially larger spectrum.

Re: patterns, you can start to see this as you consider that molecules are seemingly predisposed to react to one another in certain ways, according to a variety of intrinsic factors, such as charge, and extrinsic factors, like proximity to a star.

And these predispositions seem to give rise to the emergent structures, structures that vary in terms of their thermodynamic stability, which can be understood as the structures ability to endure a dynamic environment without collapsing or deforming.

The structures that persist, such as the double helix comprised of certain nucleotides and not others, can perhaps be understood as being more thermodynamically stable than the other possible structures, not unlike how evolutionary "favor" or fitness takes the form of genetic persistence.

But what is it about the universe that enables such predisposition, and why these particular predispositions?

Because while I think our understanding is far from comprehensive, it would seem that a more comprehensive understanding of these predispositions would allow one to predict the teleology of a given molecular arrangement in a given environment.

Personally, I have a vague suspicion that, given sufficient technology, universes like ours can be simulated. Why? To learn. What is a petrie dish to us is a world for an amoeba.
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luka

luka

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I sent your first ever thread, the one that made everyone want to burn you at the stake, and Barty ask if you were into Star Wars (premonition of memes yet to be conceived)
 
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