Keir Starmer

[version]

Bland on the surface maybe, but in the context it's worrying.

Again, not particularly. You just have this warped view of Starmer and Labour based on Hitchens' oddball paranoia where everyone's a secret Eurocommunist. Anything will look sinister when you're starting from that sort of vague, conspiratorial viewpoint.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Again, not particularly. You just have this warped view of Starmer and Labour based on Hitchens' oddball paranoia where everyone's a secret Eurocommunist. Anything will look sinister when you're starting from that sort of vague, conspiratorial viewpoint.

No, it's being said in the context of actually committing vast amounts of money and, possibly in the future, troops.

 

[catalog]

Literally why do you card just answer that one yoj cunt benny

 

[luka]

i think a lot of people who move away from england invest in the idea of english decline, that its gone to the dogs, and aint what it used to be. that way they can justify their decision to exile themselves from the people they love and the place that made them what they are.

even though their dear old mum is desperate to see them again. thagts why they read all these negative news stories to desperately bolster the notion they are so invested in.

 

[IdleRich]

Yeah but I have been here the last three months... really kinda itching to go back now though.

 

[catalog]

You cannot have your cake and eat it too @IdleRich @Benny Bunter

 

[catalog]

I learned a long time ago that no one lines someone who s both and, someone who is in between

 

[catalog]

That is why brecitvwascnecessaryvandcwhyvivvoted yes

 

[IdleRich]

You cannot have your cake and eat it too @IdleRich @Benny Bunter

That's basically what I always try and do.

I learned a long time ago that no one lines someone who s both and, someone who is in between

A thought provoking point... very hard to argue with.

 

[Benny Bunter]

i think a lot of people who move away from england invest in the idea of english decline, that its gone to the dogs, and aint what it used to be. that way they can justify their decision to exile themselves from the people they love and the place that made them what they are.

even though their dear old mum is desperate to see them again. thagts why they read all these negative news stories to desperately bolster the notion they are so invested in.

There's some truth in this, but let's not make this about me. Can't we just all unite in our hatred of Starmer?

 

[shakahislop]

i think a lot of people who move away from england invest in the idea of english decline, that its gone to the dogs, and aint what it used to be. that way they can justify their decision to exile themselves from the people they love and the place that made them what they are.

even though their dear old mum is desperate to see them again. thagts why they read all these negative news stories to desperately bolster the notion they are so invested in.

definitely a thing

 

[luka]

There's some truth in this, but let's not make this about me. Can't we just all unite in our hatred of Starmer?

 

[version]

No, it's being said in the context of actually committing vast amounts of money and, possibly in the future, troops.

The same shit basically ever leader's done for decades. It's sinister if you're talking the military-industrial complex in general, but not if it's Starmer in particular saying it that's the issue.

Other than Farage, I can't really see any potential or former leader doing much different. They're all gonna be pro-NATO, pro-Ukraine.

 

[IdleRich]

My brother just referred to him as Starm-Trooper.

 

[version]

i think a lot of people who move away from england invest in the idea of english decline, that its gone to the dogs, and aint what it used to be. that way they can justify their decision to exile themselves from the people they love and the place that made them what they are.

even though their dear old mum is desperate to see them again. thagts why they read all these negative news stories to desperately bolster the notion they are so invested in.

We saw that with a bunch of the expats voting Brexit. Seems fairly common for people to back some hardliner from afar too, see: German Turks' support for Erdogan.

Why many Turks in Germany still vote for Erdogan – DW – 04/27/2023

Recep Tayyip Erdogan is facing an uphill reelection battle, but if the vote took place in Germany, he'd win. Why do many Turks in Germany continue to support the Turkish president?

www.dw.com

 

[Benny Bunter]

The same shit basically ever leader's done for decades. It's sinister if you're talking the military-industrial complex in general, but not if it's Starmer in particular saying it that's the issue.

Other than Farage, I can't really see any potential or former leader doing much different. They're all gonna be pro-NATO, pro-Ukraine.

Yes, I agree with that, nothing I said contradicts it. But this is the Keir Starmer thread though.

And I did say:

Maybe 'sinister' was a poor choice of word, he probably thinks he's doing the right thing, I dont think he's evil, but that doesn't make it any less annoying and stupid.

 

[version]

You've talked about Starmer like this before though. You seem to feel he's something drastically different to and much more menacing than his predecessors.

 

[IdleRich]

I don't get it either, seems like all those headbangers on twitter claiming that he's destroyed democracy and needs to be removed immediately by King Charles or revolution whichever hurts more. To me he's a fairly incompetent and slightly smarmy ex-lawyer who is proving somewhat disappointing to absolutely everyone but he's about as sinister as a wet towel - and compared to Truss, Johnson etc he's actually relatively honest and skilled. He's maybe a bad politician but most of his last few predecessors were at such a low level they couldn't even be counted as that.

 

[Benny Bunter]

You've talked about Starmer like this before though. You seem to feel he's something drastically different to and much more menacing than his predecessors.

I don't think he's drastically different, but he's more ideological than say Johnson or Cameron, therefore potentially more dangerous. The fact he's essentially a lawyer as well rings alarm bells.

 

[version]

I don't get it either, seems like all those headbangers on twitter claiming that he's destroyed democracy and needs to be removed immediately by King Charles or revolution whichever hurts more. To me he's a fairly incompetent and slightly smarmy ex-lawyer who is proving slightly disappointing to absolutely everyone but he's about as sinister as a wet towel - and compared to Truss, Johnson etc he's actually relatively honest and skilled. He's maybe a bad politician but most of his last few predecessors were at such a low level they couldn't even be counted as that.

Yeah, one of my younger brothers was telling me a bunch of his mates all hate him too. It's bizarre to see such extreme reactions to such a dull, inoffensive figure. I wonder whether it's partly down to people struggling to process a bland managerial type after so much chaos and sensationalism. He can't be taken at face value, he must be hiding something.