mixed_biscuits

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Carry on treating immigration as a "non-issue" as both of the main parties have done, in deeds if not words, and you end up with Reform. It's been coming for decades. I don't think you can really blame the press. I blame both the main parties.
Complaining about immigration is like shouting "I'm poor and stupid"; rich, clever people manage to avoid any of the associated problems.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Carry on treating immigration as a "non-issue" as both of the main parties have done, in deeds if not words, and you end up with Reform. It's been coming for decades. I don't think you can really blame the press. I blame both the main parties.

There’s no recovery point here. No contradiction to unfold, no potential to reroute. Just the flat, grey exhale of someone who thinks that naming "both parties" is boldness, that squinting at a scorched horizon and nodding slowly qualifies as analysis.
Benny isn’t an actor. He’s the sediment. A warmed-over residue of every bad take that came before—wrung out and resigned, a discarded sponge of the obvious. He speaks as if he’s above it, yet his boots are planted deep in the same mud as those he pretends to criticise. A man allergic to power, yet obsessed with its effects. Always narrating the flood, never asking who opened the sluice.

both benny and @version are the press. they just think like simpletons. the press wouldn't run without their consent. banalities repackaged as the race for the novel.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I blame the press. I don't blame the press. Thought really hit a terminal nadir. no recovery for you lot.

You think @luka gives a shit about the press? Course he don't because he doesn't play their game! He knows that the press rests on the idea that the historical period of violence has come to a close. Except it has not.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Preferably in the form of set theory algebra.

don't be like biscuits. he abnegates the fact that everything is algebra. that's why he will never truly be trans turk. it's lamentable, really. Still stuck in the Christian medieval backwater of booze and doesn't drink 9 cups of coffee per day.
 

Benny Bunter

Well-known member
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Heard Farage pronounced Faridge like garidge by a lass in town

Grim and slightly disarming too, like calling cholera “callerer” or rabies ”rabees”

I read somewhere, can't remember where now, that before he was in politics that's how he himself pronounced it. It's like a Hyacinth Bucket/'Bouquet' thing. Dunno if true, but I can well believe it.
 

version

Well-known member
One of my uncles voted for Brexit and now says he regrets it, that he didn't know what he was voting for and that it's been a disaster. He also says he'll probably vote for Farage at the next election.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket

I do not matter. you can call me a fool. it will not wound my ego. Undoubtedly I am, because I am function. You cannot refute the science though

Let:

𝒏ₜ := ⨁𝒉ₖ(𝒖ᵢ) × 𝒅ₖ
# Collective need at time t (aggregated function of individual need by demographic class)

𝒔ₜ := ∑𝒖ᵢ in 𝒮
# Stock of existing goods

𝒒ₜ := Output quantity determined by plan

Planning Function:
𝓟ₜ(𝒖ᵢ) := f(𝒏ₜ, 𝒔ₜ) → 𝒒ₜᵢ
# Planned quantity is function of current need and inventory

Feedback Detection:
Δ𝒏 = 𝒏ₜ₊₁ − 𝒏ₜ
Δ𝒔 = 𝒔ₜ₊₁ − 𝒔ₜ

Control Equation:
𝓕ₜ := δ(Δ𝒏, Δ𝒔) → {𝒒ₜ₊₁ᵢ↑, ↓, =}
# Adjustment function modifies next period's production based on deviations

Convergence Criterion:
limₜ→∞ |𝒒ₜ − 𝒏ₜ| < ε
# Feedback loop aims for asymptotic convergence between need and provision (ε → negligible mismatch)

Failure Set:
𝓔 := {𝒖ᵢ | Δ𝒔 > threshold ∧ Δ𝒏 < 0}
# Items overproduced without sustained need enter error set for downregulation

Operator:
𝒑ₐᵣₜᵧ = δ(𝓔, 𝓕ₜ)
# Invariant operator applies regulation recursively — not subjectively
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Are these the arguments we're hearing from the majority of people though? What I've seen and heard tends to be vague ranting about immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers and that Farage "tells it like it is" and is "not like the rest of them" or flimsy moaning about Labour in general, that "Labour aren't doing anything" or that "Labour are punishing the old" based on the spin the press have put on means testing the winter fuel allowance.

I have no idea. I'm not "the majority of people" and don't claim to speak for them; I was just giving some concrete, justified reasons why I think their performance has been pretty crap so far.

I also think you need to be careful with assuming you know what "the majority of people" think. It's very easy for news orgs to present vox-pop bits that make it sound like your average Brit thinks the country is being overrun by asylum seekers, but they could be pushing that line either because they're right-wing and they simply support Farage's position; or, from a progressive POV, to drum up a bit of a moral panic about how everyone in Britain is a terrible racist (except them and their enlightened viewers/listeners).
 
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