pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
It's not a coherent philosophy. It seems a lot of white men feel genuinely persecuted. At a personal level. It's invaded their consciousness and they can't get away from it and it's driven them mad. Which is obviously not ideal for anyone

I can relate to this. Personally it felt like the goalposts shifted as I think shiels put it. Severe lack of memos sent out. Shades of yet more societal programming. Spanners in the works. 3 card monty. Booby traps left and right. We're being played alright. But never clearly by who. Forced evolution. Is that even how it works? People wrestling with their scariest thoughts. They're good at it. But that only ends up one way. The outbursts are coming thicker and faster. Real discourse can't breathe.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
I've used the term sjw derogatively a few times and I know which box that puts me in. But to me that's the same as saying woke twitter. Which seems to be much more acceptable around places like this. Just one small example of the booby trapped nature of the landscape.

Each clan has their #triggered words
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
From a pm I wrote to @WashYourHands

Re: being outside of Britain. Man, I smelled what The Rock was cooking in the mid/late 00s. I lived in Whitechapel. There was a palpable tension growing on the streets. People becoming increasingly antagonistic. All differences seemed to be being amplified. But I think it's inevitable when we witness shit like 9/11 & never get to fully process it.. and then try to just get back on with things. Pretty much sweeping it under the rug. Not that I have any particularly good ideas about what could be done. Except maybe some kind of televised debates where people hash it out so we could all feel a little less alone and shut down. Because it just fed right the fuck into the division narrative and continues to do so. It did things that we still don't fully understand. And are now too scared to talk honestly about. Or even talk at all. I was a mass shutting down of discourse and I would wager lead to people like Tommy Robinson et al getting to where they got to. Nearly 20 years later and we're still in the aftershock. Not to mention everything that's followed. Turns out its global though man. The right is rising up all over the place, as it does when fear's in the air. Except this time it's a new flavour. Confused.
 

sus

Moderator
who is "the altright"

I don't think the altright is any more a coherent entity than the right or the left (probably less so), so assigning psychological profiles to the group will inevitably fail
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
Booby traps.

One thing that came out of the jedi mind trick of 9/11 has been how in daily conversation now, people are just waiting for you to slip up. Poised to pounce as soon as something you've said can be used against you. No benefit of the doubt. No room for improvement. Your words need to be clean, smooth and blemish free. If you're willing to go tin foil, that's a very cunning ruse to keep people talking on a superficial level.
 
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pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
Also, there's a pretty strong reaction to being told what to do. As childish as that may be. That's just how it is. That's for me and I would guess a lot of my cro mag brethren.

That's why I can relate to the lobster man when it comes to the thing that brought him into the mainstream. But it's pretty easy to use the preferred pronouns. Tbh dj sprinkles had me doing that shit 10 years ago. It just wasn't something to be made into a big pat myself on the back action. I heard her refer to herself that way and was like 'oh right, gotcha.'
 
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xenogoth

looking for an exit
i am really not trying to be an opportunist. but every time i get pinged here it is about something i have done elsewhere lol. i respect y'all and what you do here, i'm just not good at forums. get teenage flashbacks of proto-twitter hellthreads and an inability to keep up. too many channels to pay attention to. it's only when i get an @ ping or a blog clickback i take a look... which is bad form on my part... but too much to try and pay attention to already.

that being said, the lectures i wrote for that lecture series are relevant here. (i'm hoping to hammer it into a book over the next few months so it doesn't languish behind a massive paywall forever.) it's based on a bit of blogosphere archaeology i've been doing. i found that the pop understanding of the beginnings of accelerationism is so convoluted at this point, even amongst those who were there, but following the blogposts written around that time, particularly by Steven Shaviro and Alex Williams, the intention seems to be pretty clear.

around that time, Badiou and Zizek were teaming up and going on about the crisis in negation -- how Marx's negation of the negation wasn't really going the way he planned. capital vol 1 cliff notes: the negation of private property, which leads feudalism to become capitalism, frees serfs to become a working class that earns a wage and can own individual property. this allows the world to evolve but the capitalists have opened pandora's box because opening the possibility of individual ownership up to everyone creates the shadow of universal individual ownership -- and what is universal individual ownership if not social ownership, i.e. socialism? that's why, for Marx, capitalism will inevitably lead to socialism. but once capitalists know this, they can try to attempt the negation of the negation of the negation and now we find ourselves flailing about in the resulting stasis, where culture stalls and the shift on the horizon is not socialism but rentism -- i.e., renting everything (not just homes but our access to culture et al) increasingly becomes a convenient mod con norm. for Badiou in particular, this has had nefarious political consequences and we tumble towards neoliberal stasis. It was Shaviro who noted Badiou's argument in this regard but also critiqued it really well, highlighting that whilst he and Zizek seemed to have their finger on the pulse at some point, they were increasingly falling into the same trap that they themselves had described, at once diagnosing why we are afflicted by a crisis of imagination whilst not being able to see beyond it for themselves. (for me, this post is where accelerationist questions first start being asked, although they wouldn't be answer in the blogosphere for a while.)

the hauntological blogosphere, seemingly in isolation, was talking about this from a cultural perspective, of course, but this cultural version wasn't quite connecting with the political version except through a shared melancholy. It was Alex Williams who then made the first accelerationist post, thinking how best to use contemporary economic thinking to update Marx's theory of the negation of the negation. Land was a big influence at that time -- Williams referred to his thinking as a "left-Landianism" or a "post-Landianism" at that time -- but so was Badiou (negatively perhaps) and also Ray Brassier's writings on nihilism (recognising the fact we live in an indifferent universe and using that as a Promethean basis for acting anyway -- he started a project that seemed to apply this logic to capitalism explicitly but then he abandoned it.)
 

xenogoth

looking for an exit
but, of course, accelerationism never really recovered from its own naming ceremony, when Noys took Williams' gesturing towards a radical reformulation of Marx's labour theory of value and the potentials of real abstraction and summarised as "make things worse so they can get better."

what interests me about this at the moment is that the confusion fostered by this tension, that was there from day one, has led accelerationism to become the kind of thought it initially set out to critique -- a kind of impotent thought that is trapped in cynical stasis; a negative project with no practical advice on how to move forwards. at its best, accelerationist thinkers still occasionally thrust towards what Badiou demanded of 21stC philosophy -- we need a new thought to usher in a new understanding of the world around us; a la "Kant and Newtonian physics; Deleuze, Nietzsche, Bergon and biology" -- (i'm thinking of "gender accelerationism" and "xenofeminism" here specifically) but this is often buried underneath a superficial tendency online towards edgelording.

it's sad more than anything, because i think the story of accelerationism's development isn't all that unique but it is very telling for where we're at right now and how this kind of heretical Marxism could devolve so far to become the absolute opposite of what it wanted to be -- by becoming an impotent empty signifier for being a cunt and exacerbating chaos just to forestall social progress. it is a particular kind of journey from a potentially dangerous kind of "post-left" thinking to an alt-right uselessness. but how that has happened is useful to note, if only because it shows how fucked up we really are and how many attempts at bringing about new thought and new politics are doomed from the start, because everything is rotten with static impotence.

i saw that meme earlier in the thread, for instance, that says accelerationism is an edgy and pretentious name for neoliberalism and always was. the point is, it really really wasnt, but it is now. whinging about how the name is being used and abused doesn't do anything though, of course, but excavating that very recent history, that shows how a desire to formulate a radical new politics (in explicit response to the impotence of Occupy Wall Street) can become so twisted as to be a byword for the very tendency it saw emerging before anyone else, eventually falling on its own sword.

if it can happen to something as marginal as accelerationism, it can sure as hell happen to any other leftwing project.
 
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vimothy

yurp
yeah this is supposed to be a struggle session for dissensus's crypto-alt-right, it's not the place for accelerationist marginalia
 

vimothy

yurp
contributions to this thread should be in the form of self-criticism, prefaced with, "I'm <name goes here> and I'm a racist and gatekeeper of white supremacy"
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Booby traps.

One thing that came out of the jedi mind trick of 9/11 has been how in daily conversation now, people are just waiting for you to slip up. Poised to pounce as soon as something you've said can be used against you. No benefit of the doubt. No room for improvement. Your words need to be clean, smooth and blemish free. If you're willing to go tin foil, that's a very cunning ruse to keep people talking on a superficial level.

tbf it's always been like that in countries with a strong political culture where backbighting and corruption are the norm. it's just that the UK and US have always had weak political cultures, in that sense the soviet union helped them in the 50s-80s. Politics itself is a rotten enterprise. you can't make it better, cos at the moment it is the best it has been. in the same way its nonsense to talk about police not doing their job properly when in fact they very much are.
 
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