Election 2020

[luka]

I'm not saying the 'protestors' or whatever the appropriate word is are under control, although you wouldn't be surprised to find some special operatives in there somewhere, hiding under MAGA hats

 

[IdleRich]

The police are claiming on telly that the invaders had chemical weapons which they used to spray the police, forcing them to retreat. Doesn't really tally with the footage we saw though does it?

 

[constant escape]

What would a coup even be? It's not like if they seized the building that everyone would go "oh, they've got congress now, there's nothing we can do, they rule the country and we have to do what they say". It's just agitating for Trump cos they think there is a constitutional way to overturn Trump's defeat and that this kind of protest will make people more likely to take those steps.

Yeah thats what I was wondering earlier. Seems like a coup would require some number of figures with institutional power to capitulate or otherwise hop over the fence. And I really don;t know how likely that is, or how feasible it is to plan something like that.

 

[luka]

Yeah did they fuck

 

[IdleRich]

the woman shot in the Capitol has died.

Fuck. Cos we'd stopped hearing about that I wondered if it had been a mistaken report.

 

[luka]

Yeah thats what I was wondering earlier. Seems like a coup would require some number of figures with institutional power to capitulate or otherwise hop over the fence. And I really don;t know how likely that is, or how feasible it is to plan something like that.

Well of course you can plan it it happens all the time. But from what we can see, no one has planned it in this case.

 

[IdleRich]

 

[luka]

When they were reporting that the DC National Guard weren't allowed to be sent in, that's when you could get a whiff of coup. But only a feint whiff

 

[constant escape]

I don't disagree with that but as Eden points out the decision had already been made to give them the opportunity

Yeah, and I think of this condoning takes place within that window of discretion that official figures reserve. Which is almost necessarily out of the reach of policy. Theres always that window.

 

[version]

Mike Pence just changed his Twitter banner to a photo of Biden and Harris.

 

[luka]

Mike Pence just changed his Twitter banner to a photo of Biden and Harris.

Hmmmmm.

 

[john eden]

Also if a lot of these people were whooped up on Qanon stuff they will have been conned into thinking they are warriors who are part of a larger game. So the protestors themselves did not need to strategise cos Q and Trump were doing that.

 

[version]

Pence is apparently the one who sent in the national guard too.

 

[luka]

It's very odd. I think that's one thing we can all agree on.

 

[Mr. Tea]

 

[john eden]

Like in a real coup situation you would be relying on large parts of the army and cops and state apparatus to be actively on your side after the charge starts. But these guys are gonna find that the bold claims on social media are just hot air and they are left with their arses hanging out.

 

[luka]

Cos trump was never going to back them. He doesn't have the clout even if he had the will.

 

[Mr. Tea]

When they were reporting that the DC National Guard weren't allowed to be sent in, that's when you could get a whiff of coup. But only a feint whiff

Well yeah, when you consider that Trump sacked the previous Defense Secretary and replaced him with a yes-man a few days after the election: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54880774

 

[luka]

That's what I mean

 

[IdleRich]

Mike Pence just changed his Twitter banner to a photo of Biden and Harris.

Wooahh - he's switching sides.