Apart from the 80 odd indictments and convictions that came a direct result.a 500 page report so unimpressive it made literally no effect on the world whatsoever. the very dampest of squibs.
i never heard of any of them so that means it had no effect plus everyone knows the point was to shunt TrumpApart from the 80 odd indictments and convictions that came a direct result.
Right, but in the end they got Al Capone for tax evasion, didn't they? You wouldn't therefore say he didn't commit all those murders he was accused of.i never heard of any of them so that means it had no effect plus everyone knows the point was to shunt Trump
from office
We can't judge effectiveness based on your ignorance.i never heard of any of them so that means it had no effect plus everyone knows the point was to shunt Trump
from office
I was gonna finish that with "Or else nothing will be effective" but I thought that would have been a cheap shot and not really fair.We can't judge effectiveness based on your ignorance.
Yeah, but keeping things at that kind of arms length was uncharacteristically smart for Trump. Perhaps part of his cunning but ruined brain did still register that that would be - potentially - a bad one. That his natural constituency would be the very ones who would not only draw the line at getting help from the traditional enemy to cheat in a presidential election, but that if they thought that that line had been crossed, then they would turn on him with the ferocity of a lover spurned.depends on your definition of "collude". did they get together, brainstorm ideas and put a detailed plan together? no. did trump give Putin a wink, a green light, and look the other way when things surfaced? obviously, yes.
trump operates like a wannabe mafioso, speaks in code. I'm sure he dropped plenty of hints in his conversations with Putin, and Putin is smart enough to pick up on them. remember: "nice store you have here, be a shame if anything happened to it" isn't technically, legally, an extortion threat.
but also, it's not like Russia would have been sitting on their hands, waiting from direction from trump. they always done things to cause chaos and uncertainty for opponents, they probably would have done it all on their own anyway.
"the only way to save the village was to destroy it" comes to mind.Yeah, but keeping things at that kind of arms length was uncharacteristically smart for Trump. Perhaps part of his cunning but ruined brain did still register that that would be - potentially - a bad one. That his natural constituency would be the very ones who would not only draw the line at getting help from the traditional enemy to cheat in a presidential election, but that if they thought that that line had been crossed, then they would turn on him with the ferocity of a lover spurned.
Although I have to say that f he did think that I'm not sure that he was right. Definitely when he accepted Putin's words over the FBI or whatever it was, it felt as though a lot of MAGA were happy enough, I would have been quite interested to know what would have happened if that question was fully tested, I think that there were quite a lot of MAGA who would have said "If the only way for Trump and his friends to defeat Sleepy Joe and prevent socialism from taking over the US by cheating in the election, is to get help from Putin to cheat against the cheats then so be it".
I feel that we have something similar in the UK where you would get people arguing very passionately for Brexit as the only way of guaranteeing the sovereignty of the UK, that if you really loved the UK and believed that its continuing existence as a meaningful body was something worth fighting for, then you should surely vote Brexit. Now it has become clear that Brexit may have removed the UK from the EU but due to the Scottish desire to remain in the EU and the seemingly intractable problems relating to the NI/ROI border it has put an enormous strain on the union and threatens its existence far more than the EU ever did... and yet Brexiters say "well if the breaking up of the UK is the only way to protect Brexit then so be it":
In each case the thing (Brexit/Trump) which had been argued for as a pragmatic solution and a way to gain or maintain certain advantages has somehow metamorphosed into a holy object which must self-evidently be fought for at all costs EVEN including the loss of those very things it was supposed to protect.
Yeah I really don't know. That what I was saying with Barr, ok, he didn't throw his weight behind the Trump "big lie" and he pretty much washed his hands of it and sat back saying "I see no evidence of fraud so...".scariest part is you start to question whether there are any adults in any room who, at some point, will say "ok, enough of this nonsense." at times that seems to be lead by the business community.
someone like Mitch mcconnell knows exactly what's going on but has been willing to stand silently on the sidelines as long as it means either thwarting democrats or empowering republicans. but at some point, do even the Mitch mcconnells of the world say "ok, enough"? I used to think the answer was yes. based on the evidence of the past year, I'm now not sure.
Yeah kinda but with a sort of intermediary step."the only way to save the village was to destroy it" comes to mind.