version
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Does Don Jr. actually hold those views though, or is he just backing up his father whilst he's in charge?
Election 2020
Simon silverdollarcircle
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Ok to take one example...that whole "suburban women, just like me ok?" thing. How is that good politics ? How is that really crass and smartarse way of talking to people outside your base going to achieve your purported aim of getting more people to 'like you'?
Equally how is making yourself look like a fucking retard on live tv by suggesting that people inject bleach good politics?
Leo
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all he wants to do is campaign, really. hold rallies, do interviews. no interest in governing.
Simon silverdollarcircle
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I'm not denying he's very effective in some ways, obviously, but just that there are loads of unnecessary own goals in there too . Unforced errors
Simon silverdollarcircle
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He seems more like an edgelord kinda guy doesn't he. I think he holds those views to the extent that he likes pissing off liberals, which is probably enough
Leo
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he's been a strong fundraiser and enjoys making libs cry, so you never know.
Simon silverdollarcircle
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He's the Roman to trump's logan roy
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Sure, but if he loses, as seems likely, he'll need to appeal to people who aren't already his supporters in order to win again. Or any putative Trump 2.0 will need to. And time - and demographic change - are not on his/their side.
padraig (u.s.)
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every politician commits unforced errors, just like every tennis player does. it goes with the territory.
he has the singular ability/lack of conscience to pretend those errors aren't errors/don't exist/etc
I mean dude there's a mountain of evidence to suggest that he's crazy like a fox
remember when he literally said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters"
which mirrors the infamous Edwin Edwards (another great American huckster politician) "The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy" quote
padraig (u.s.)
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Trump doesn't look like our traditional idea of someone who's good at politics
we shouldn't mistake that with thinking he's not good at politics
we shouldn't mistake that with thinking he's not good at politics
padraig (u.s.)
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that's true, it depends what is meant by "politics"
we're talking about being good at winning elections tho
the claim was that "Trump but better at politics" would unbeatable in elections, not that he would govern well
we're talking about being good at winning elections tho
the claim was that "Trump but better at politics" would unbeatable in elections, not that he would govern well
padraig (u.s.)
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if you can't win elections you don't get to govern in the first place
LBJ for example, was the acknowledged master of getting legislation passed and running the Senate
but he very likely never would have been President if JFK hadn't been assassinated
LBJ for example, was the acknowledged master of getting legislation passed and running the Senate
but he very likely never would have been President if JFK hadn't been assassinated
Simon silverdollarcircle
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I think a large part of his life must be spent having no clue what the people around him are talking about. Apparently he never reads official briefings, has no interest in global politics, has never read a book etc etc.
So he must go to these meetings, like at the UN or davos or wherever, and have not the faintest idea about what people are going on about.
To be able to do that and not care, not let it knock your confidence at all, is unhinged
line b
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Trump increased support in every demographic except white men relative to 2016. If the dems cant figure out a way to produce likeable candidates that also have establishment support the GOP is fine.
Simon silverdollarcircle
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Like a child. Just like @Leo said!
Leo
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yeah, it's not that he's clueless...he just doesn't care. stories about how there was never any strategic plan at the trump organization, he's a total day trader who deals with what's in front off him that day.
Leo
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padraig (u.s.)
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I never said he wasn't unhinged to some degree
tho again I think it's an open question as to what degree he's actually unhinged, simply doesn't care, and/or is crazy like a fox
like Leo said he's a day trader, a cynical hustler whose only real belief is in his own (and his family/cronies) enrichment
that's in sharp contrast to Palin and the kind of movement conservatives she appealed to. I'm less clear on the level of cynicism in his overall base.
but he's obviously excellent at inflaming popular passion, appeals to pathos, etc, i.e. populism