Election 2020

john eden

john eden

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The immediate problem is whether Trump will directly or indirectly call for physical opposition to his defeat. That looks less likely than it did previously though.

Aside from that I am generally unconcerned about the machinations of the US state and the smooth transition.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
subvert47 said:
Biden is more of the same. It's Trump who wasn't.
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I think (?) Rich meant that Biden would be more or less the same as Trump - which seems very unlikely to me. (Edit: I mean that Rich meant some people were saying that, not that he thought that himself.)

What's really disappointing is how many people have fallen for the bullshit notion that the last four years have been a golden age of peaceful foreign policy. Like fuck they have! But even some progressives seem to have been suckered in by it.
 
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IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
john eden said:
Biden will be better at grammar and politeness and killing people in the middle east and possibly challenging climate change. So it depends what your priorities are but there are similarities and differences of course.
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I think he'll be better at - very short list off the top of my head - not destroying the democratic process, not lying constantly, not having an administration stuffed top to bottom with crooks, at not committing impeachable treason, not using his office to pardon friends, not using campaign funds to pay prostitutes, not sexually assaulting countless women, not making the US a laughing stock.... and as discussed will probably be fairly similar on the ME. Though maybe won't stoke tensions by moving the embassy etc
He's just better than Trump.
 
john eden

john eden

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IdleRich said:
I said there is a strain of the left - JE perhaps? - that say that Trump and Biden are the same. They're not.
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I have literally just pointed out that they are not the same.

But they are both the elected leaders of the two major parties in the two party state with is the USA.

So the difference between them is way smaller than the difference between Mr Tea and Beyonce, for example.
 
john eden

john eden

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One of the differences I alluded to was that Biden is more statesmanlike. That is both a good and bad thing. It is a good in that he can probably make more a difference to some global issues like climate change (but not enough, we are all still fucked).

It is bad in that he can use the politeness and diplomacy to appear to be doing more than he is of good stuff (climate change, reducing inequality) and less of the bad stuff (murdering people in the middle east, widening inequality).

He isn't our friend. You need to be as wary of the good cop as the bad cop.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
Ok but I think that the difference between them is bigger than you do. Not because Biden is good (more of the same as before no doubt) but cos Trump is a monstrosity.
 
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DannyL

Wild Horses
IdleRich said:
I said there is a strain of the left - JE perhaps? - that say that Trump and Biden are the same. They're not.
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There's definitely this strain of the Left. Not accusing anyone here of it but off top of my head, the most prominent examples would be Glen Greenwald, George Galloway, Max Blumenthal, Absolute fucking c***ts everyone of them, though I don't know if they're Left now in any meaningful way. The journey down this sewer starts with alt-left shit like The Canary, Chris Williamson et al. It's a spectrum but an unpleasant one. Any credible Left should shun these people like the fucking plague.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
john eden said:
One of the differences I alluded to was that Biden is more statesmanlike. That is both a good and bad thing. It is a good in that he can probably make more a difference to some global issues like climate change (but not enough, we are all still fucked).

It is bad in that he can use the politeness and diplomacy to appear to be doing more than he is of good stuff (climate change, reducing inequality) and less of the bad stuff (murdering people in the middle east, widening inequality).

He isn't our friend. You need to be as wary of the good cop as the bad cop.
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Well he could hardly be less statesmanlike....
For me, I just want an end to the assault on truth where the president goes on telly and insists he didn't say whatever he said yesterday. For me that's a big thing.
 
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DannyL

Wild Horses
DannyL said:
There's definitely this strain of the Left. Not accusing anyone here of it but off top of my head, the most prominent examples would be Glen Greenwald, George Galloway, Max Blumenthal, Absolute fucking c***ts everyone of them, though I don't know if they're Left now in any meaningful way. The journey down this sewer starts with alt-left shit like The Canary, Chris Williamson et al. It's a spectrum but an unpleasant one. Any credible Left should shun these people like the fucking plague.
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The point I was trying to make before my eyes started bleeding hatred was that their messages get lot of traction on the Left.
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
I should probably clarify that I think it is marginally better that Biden has been elected. I honestly don't think his election will make anything more than a marginal difference to your average American citizen though. The fact that he can string a sentence together is not the panacea people seem to think it is. The same restaurant with the same menu under new management.
 
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DannyL

Wild Horses
john eden said:
*in some parts of the left.
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For sure. I am happy with a left that repudiates these people, not so happy with one that indulges them and gives them a platform. I'm glad that Syria conspiracy nutter David Miller got the bump from Labour, for instance.

You can tell these people on Twitter by the FREE ASSANGE etc in their sigs. It's like a litmus test for the wanker left.
 
john eden

john eden

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